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Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. #1119650
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The Cosa Nostra Family based in San Francisco, California
https://thenewyorkmafia.com/san-francisco-california-family-james-lanza/

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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: NYMafia] #1119728
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Although based on old photographs, we're not so sure Tony didn't leave his heart in Downtown Brooklyn.

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I was afraid you were going to tell us that Tony B. was mobbed up...


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: Turnbull] #1119812
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
I was afraid you were going to tell us that Tony B. was mobbed up...


Lol. No, not to my knowledge.

But coming from Astoria, Queens he knew all the guys over the years and played in many of their places. So he was obviously very friendly with them.

Coincidentally, the Scarpinito bio we just put up has one of the earliest known photos of Tony Bennett as a young up-and-coming crooner. He's sitting right next to mafioso Joe Scarpinito and other members of Scarpinito's crew.

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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: NYMafia] #1119819
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Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk

Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello

I believe had to change their names?

Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: NinettaBagarella] #1119832
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Originally Posted by NinettaBagarella
Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk

Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello

I believe had to change their names?


Here's some more...

Singers...
Jerry Vale was born Gennaro Luigi Vitaliano
Bobby Darin's real name was Walden Robert Cassotto
Frankie Avalon was Francis Avallone
Lou Christie was born Luigi Alfredo Sacco
Glen Danzig was really Glenn Anzalone
Bobby Rydell was really Robert Ridarelli
Perry Como's was born Peter Costello
Nikki Sixx was really Frank Feranna Jr.
Frankie Cannon was born Frederick Anthony Picariello

Pianist George Greeley was born, Georgio Guariglia
Drummer for KISS Peter Criss was born George Peter Criscuola
jazz saxophonist Joe Farrell was Joseph Firrantello
comedian Joy Behar is Josephina Occhiuto

Actors...
Nicholas Cage is really Nicolas Coppola
Penny Marshall's surname was really Masciarelli
Vince Edwards was born Vincent Zoine
Anne Bancroft's real name was Anna Italiano
Robert Blake was Robert Gubitosi
Ron Carey was Ronald Cicenia
James Darren was James Ercolani
Connie Stevens was Constance Ingolia

....The list is never-ending.







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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: NYMafia] #1119842
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Frank Costello was born Francesco Castiglia. Charlie Luciano was born Salvatore Lucania.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: NYMafia] #1119845
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The Mafia only helped Tony Bennett a bit in his early days, but they never owned him like some other artists.
He did perfom at weddings and other venues, when he was hired but that's no crime. If there was more to it the FBI would have investigated like they did with Sinatra for 40 years.

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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: Turnbull] #1119846
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
Frank Costello was born Francesco Castiglia. Charlie Luciano was born Salvatore Lucania.


Castiglia sound more bad ass. I would never change my surname into Irish lol. grin


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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: Hollander] #1119866
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by Turnbull
Frank Costello was born Francesco Castiglia. Charlie Luciano was born Salvatore Lucania.


Castiglia sound more bad ass. I would never change my surname into Irish lol. grin


I agree. But we also have to understand that during the time period Frank chose to adopt his "Costello" moniker, the Irish ruled the roost. Not only in the "underworld" but also the so-called legit "upper world" which Frank wanted to infiltrate...which he eventually seamlessly did with panache and to great success.

So there was a method to his madness.

And he wasn't the only one to realize the potential advantage to an "Irish" surname.

Think Vincenzo Plumeri, aka; Jimmy Doyle; Paolo Vaccarelli, aka; Paul Kelly, Thomas Eboli, aka; Tommy Ryan, etc.,etc.

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Yes NYM I believe it came from Boxing Irish monikers were very popular back in those days.


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Originally Posted by NYMafia
we also have to understand that during the time period Frank chose to adopt his "Costello" moniker, the Irish ruled the roost. Not only in the "underworld" but also the so-called legit "upper world" which Frank wanted to infiltrate...which he eventually seamlessly did with panache and to great success.
Think Vincenzo Plumeri, aka; Jimmy Doyle; Paolo Vaccarelli, aka; Paul Kelly, Thomas Eboli, aka; Tommy Ryan, etc.,etc.

This also applied to professional boxing:
In the early years of the last century, Irish were the "underdogs," so a lot of Eastern and Central European fighters with names that ended in "cz" or "ski" went into the ring calling themselves "Battling Ryan" or "KId Murphy," etc. In the Thirties, Jews were the underdogs, so some fighters built their public persona around being "Jewish."
Case in point: Max Baer, a German Catholic, always wore trunks with a Jewish Star embroidered on them. Ray Arcel, the legendary trainer, once said, "I seen that guy in the shower--believe me, he ain't no Jew." lol


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by NinettaBagarella
Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk

Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello

I believe had to change their names?


Here's some more...

Singers...
Jerry Vale was born Gennaro Luigi Vitaliano
Bobby Darin's real name was Walden Robert Cassotto
Frankie Avalon was Francis Avallone
Lou Christie was born Luigi Alfredo Sacco
Glen Danzig was really Glenn Anzalone
Bobby Rydell was really Robert Ridarelli
Perry Como's was born Peter Costello
Nikki Sixx was really Frank Feranna Jr.
Frankie Cannon was born Frederick Anthony Picariello

Pianist George Greeley was born, Georgio Guariglia
Drummer for KISS Peter Criss was born George Peter Criscuola
jazz saxophonist Joe Farrell was Joseph Firrantello
comedian Joy Behar is Josephina Occhiuto

Actors...
Nicholas Cage is really Nicolas Coppola
Penny Marshall's surname was really Masciarelli
Vince Edwards was born Vincent Zoine
Anne Bancroft's real name was Anna Italiano
Robert Blake was Robert Gubitosi
Ron Carey was Ronald Cicenia
James Darren was James Ercolani
Connie Stevens was Constance Ingolia

....The list is never-ending.








Also Stven Tyler is Stefano Tallarico.

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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: Hollander] #1119893
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Yes NYM I believe it came from Boxing Irish monikers were very popular back in those days.



Absolutely.

But the boxing profession was not the genesis for Italians adopting Irish sounding names. The larger, overall reason why this occurred was Italians attempting to gain acceptance into larger American society; politics, big business, the entertainment industry, sports etc. The sport of boxing was just one category where this phenomena was applied.

If you remember, I created dozens and dozens of quizzes and challenges for members of our forum about Italian mobsters adopting anglicized nicknames. Many members of the Jewish mob also took these types of nicknames.

In fact, a perfect example about what we're discussing here is the Italian mobster who this actual thread was started for...

Giuseppe (Joe Tobin) Scarpinito was a top Brooklyn-based Italian mobster, who adopted the ring name of Joe Tobin during his professional boxing career. He later carried his Irish "ring" name forward, using it as his underworld moniker throughout his career and lifetime.

The surname "Tobin" is -- in fact -- an Irish last name.

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Actor Burt Young was born Gerald Tommaso DeLouise


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Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: Turnbull] #1119899
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Originally Posted by Turnbull
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we also have to understand that during the time period Frank chose to adopt his "Costello" moniker, the Irish ruled the roost. Not only in the "underworld" but also the so-called legit "upper world" which Frank wanted to infiltrate...which he eventually seamlessly did with panache and to great success.
Think Vincenzo Plumeri, aka; Jimmy Doyle; Paolo Vaccarelli, aka; Paul Kelly, Thomas Eboli, aka; Tommy Ryan, etc.,etc.

This also applied to professional boxing:
In the early years of the last century, Irish were the "underdogs," so a lot of Eastern and Central European fighters with names that ended in "cz" or "ski" went into the ring calling themselves "Battling Ryan" or "KId Murphy," etc. In the Thirties, Jews were the underdogs, so some fighters built their public persona around being "Jewish."
Case in point: Max Baer, a German Catholic, always wore trunks with a Jewish Star embroidered on them. Ray Arcel, the legendary trainer, once said, "I seen that guy in the shower--believe me, he ain't no Jew." lol


Interesting TB it was indeed the golden era for Jewish boxers, they won something like 27 world titles between the start of the century and WWII.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by Turnbull
Originally Posted by NYMafia
we also have to understand that during the time period Frank chose to adopt his "Costello" moniker, the Irish ruled the roost. Not only in the "underworld" but also the so-called legit "upper world" which Frank wanted to infiltrate...which he eventually seamlessly did with panache and to great success.
Think Vincenzo Plumeri, aka; Jimmy Doyle; Paolo Vaccarelli, aka; Paul Kelly, Thomas Eboli, aka; Tommy Ryan, etc.,etc.

This also applied to professional boxing:
In the early years of the last century, Irish were the "underdogs," so a lot of Eastern and Central European fighters with names that ended in "cz" or "ski" went into the ring calling themselves "Battling Ryan" or "KId Murphy," etc. In the Thirties, Jews were the underdogs, so some fighters built their public persona around being "Jewish."
Case in point: Max Baer, a German Catholic, always wore trunks with a Jewish Star embroidered on them. Ray Arcel, the legendary trainer, once said, "I seen that guy in the shower--believe me, he ain't no Jew." lol


Interesting TB it was indeed the golden era for Jewish boxers, they won something like 27 world titles between the start of the century and WWII.


Absolutely. Hence the term, "tough Jews"

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Interesting book

https://www.amazon.com/When-Boxing-Was-Jewish-Sport/dp/027595353X

Among the first Champions would be Dutch Sam.
Samuel Elias, better known as the Dutch Sam, was a professional boxing pioneer, active between 1801 and 1814. Known as the hardest hitter of his time, he earned the nickname "The Man with the Iron Hand". He was also known as "The Terrible Jew", referring to his Jewish heritage.


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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by Hollander
Yes NYM I believe it came from Boxing Irish monikers were very popular back in those days.



Absolutely.

But the boxing profession was not the genesis for Italians adopting Irish sounding names. The larger, overall reason why this occurred was Italians attempting to gain acceptance into larger American society; politics, big business, the entertainment industry, sports etc. The sport of boxing was just one category where this phenomena was applied.

If you remember, I created dozens and dozens of quizzes and challenges for members of our forum about Italian mobsters adopting anglicized nicknames. Many members of the Jewish mob also took these types of nicknames.

In fact, a perfect example about what we're discussing here is the Italian mobster who this actual thread was started for...

Giuseppe (Joe Tobin) Scarpinito was a top Brooklyn-based Italian mobster, who adopted the ring name of Joe Tobin during his professional boxing career. He later carried his Irish "ring" name forward, using it as his underworld moniker throughout his career and lifetime.

The surname "Tobin" is -- in fact -- an Irish last name.


The Genovese Family’s Joseph (Joe Tobin) Scarpinito: The Boss of Downtown Brooklyn
https://thenewyorkmafia.com/the-gen...carpinito-the-boss-of-downtown-brooklyn/

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by NinettaBagarella
Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk

Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello

I believe had to change their names?


Here's some more...

Singers...
Jerry Vale was born Gennaro Luigi Vitaliano
Bobby Darin's real name was Walden Robert Cassotto
Frankie Avalon was Francis Avallone
Lou Christie was born Luigi Alfredo Sacco
Glen Danzig was really Glenn Anzalone
Bobby Rydell was really Robert Ridarelli
Perry Como's was born Peter Costello
Nikki Sixx was really Frank Feranna Jr.
Frankie Cannon was born Frederick Anthony Picariello

Pianist George Greeley was born, Georgio Guariglia
Drummer for KISS Peter Criss was born George Peter Criscuola
jazz saxophonist Joe Farrell was Joseph Firrantello
comedian Joy Behar is Josephina Occhiuto

Actors...
Nicholas Cage is really Nicolas Coppola
Penny Marshall's surname was really Masciarelli
Vince Edwards was born Vincent Zoine
Anne Bancroft's real name was Anna Italiano
Robert Blake was Robert Gubitosi
Ron Carey was Ronald Cicenia
James Darren was James Ercolani
Connie Stevens was Constance Ingolia

....The list is never-ending.








Wow! Thanks! That’s wild, Nikki Styxx wtf lol. Why do they have to do that? White Trash envy, just like the Kennedy Family, as well as all the bikers in Canada, and everything white trash comparable.

Re: Tony Bennett sang...The Mob left its heart in S.F. [Re: NinettaBagarella] #1120173
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Originally Posted by NinettaBagarella
Originally Posted by NYMafia
Originally Posted by NinettaBagarella
Southern Italian prejudice, just like me with all you lol jk

Tony Bennett
Dean Martin
Connie Francis
Lucky Luciano
Frank Costello

I believe had to change their names?


Here's some more...

Singers...
Jerry Vale was born Gennaro Luigi Vitaliano
Bobby Darin's real name was Walden Robert Cassotto
Frankie Avalon was Francis Avallone
Lou Christie was born Luigi Alfredo Sacco
Glen Danzig was really Glenn Anzalone
Bobby Rydell was really Robert Ridarelli
Perry Como's was born Peter Costello
Nikki Sixx was really Frank Feranna Jr.
Frankie Cannon was born Frederick Anthony Picariello

Pianist George Greeley was born, Georgio Guariglia
Drummer for KISS Peter Criss was born George Peter Criscuola
jazz saxophonist Joe Farrell was Joseph Firrantello
comedian Joy Behar is Josephina Occhiuto

Actors...
Nicholas Cage is really Nicolas Coppola
Penny Marshall's surname was really Masciarelli
Vince Edwards was born Vincent Zoine
Anne Bancroft's real name was Anna Italiano
Robert Blake was Robert Gubitosi
Ron Carey was Ronald Cicenia
James Darren was James Ercolani
Connie Stevens was Constance Ingolia

....The list is never-ending.








Wow! Thanks! That’s wild, Nikki Styxx wtf lol. Why do they have to do that? White Trash envy, just like the Kennedy Family, as well as all the bikers in Canada, and everything white trash comparable.


You're very welcome, NinettaBagarella


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