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Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Trojan] #1093600
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Originally Posted by Trojan
All Sollozzo wants, is a truce until third time lucky! to kill Vito
but it occurred to me.... No way Sollozzo can get to Vito

The Corleones have Vito air-tight. Vito is invulnerable being guarded by 24 hour private detectives hired to protect Vito Corleone. They're licensed to carry firearms.

McCluskey can't get all these guinea hoods locked up!
If McCluskey interfered, he'll have to appear before a judge in the morning and show cause

You think too much of yourself, Turk -- you are not that clever

So Michael didn't have to kill Sollozzo There was no need Gotta get Sollozzo

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True. Revisiting -- Michael didn't have to kill Sollozzo There was no need Gotta get Sollozzo
No way Sollozzo can get to Vito even if he managed to stall the Corleones to buy time

Michael could have continued his That's my family, It's not me civilian life

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Another hypocrite! Lying to himself

Michael knew exactly what his father's business was that his rich and privileged civilian life was funded by tainted money from other people's blood, misery and murder

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1093735
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Originally Posted by Kangaroo Don
Originally Posted by Trojan
All Sollozzo wants, is a truce until third time lucky! to kill Vito
but it occurred to me.... No way Sollozzo can get to Vito

The Corleones have Vito air-tight. Vito is invulnerable being guarded by 24 hour private detectives hired to protect Vito Corleone. They're licensed to carry firearms.

McCluskey can't get all these guinea hoods locked up!
If McCluskey interfered, he'll have to appear before a judge in the morning and show cause

You think too much of yourself, Turk -- you are not that clever

So Michael didn't have to kill Sollozzo There was no need Gotta get Sollozzo

Looks new theory not floated before

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Capri] #1093864
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We were in agreement -- he's gonna kill Pop, that's it. Gotta get Sollozzo

we'd discussed in various including Business or personal? thread that They did need to kill the Turk and there seemed to be no other way than for Michael to do it himself.

However now with this new theory There was no need Gotta get Sollozzo by Michael or anyone
They could have let them think there is a truce, lulling them into false security until Vito was back

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Trojan] #1093879
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and they should all live happily for a hundred years -- the family.
1. Santino bad Don playing comedy with that young girl.
2. Fredo banging cocktail waitresses two at a time!
3. Michael Senator - Corleone. Governor - Corleone, or something...
4. Connie -- well -- Connie was -- well --

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Capri] #1093986
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Barzini wants to arrange a meeting with Michael through Michael's capo Tessio to straighten any of their problems out...
Normal procedure, Barzini's consigliere would approach Michael's consigliere

Tessio can arrange security in Brooklyn his territory where Michael will be "safe"

Could it have been any more transparently obvious lying?!

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1094008
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It's a smart move -- Tessio was always smarter.

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1094180
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also Barzini's people chiselling Tessio's territory, he was signalling to them he's gonna kill Michael that he was not for peaceful coexistence.

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Trojan] #1094190
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Barzini underestimating Michael and overestimating himself

Ahhh.... that little warm scene you played with my capo Tessio [at Vito's funeral] -- you think that could fool a Corleone?

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1094198
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He insults a Corleone intelligence -- and makes him very angry... transparently obvious lying to straighten any of their problems out... and have to answer for Santino

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1094232
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It is fleshed out in the novel that Tom and others were astonished why Michael was trying to get this traitor to admit guilt?

Michael being always fair and just, wanted to have no fraction of an uncertainty that only a confession by Carlo could erase before making his sister a widow

If Carlo didn't admit what he did, didn't confess he fingered Sonny for the Barzini people Then what?

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1094235
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Carlo Rizzi felt his whole body go weak with a terrible sickening fear when he saw Michael Corleone standing in his doorway, Michael's face, the face of death

Michael's “You have to answer for Santino, Carlo” made Carlo really sick, physically nauseous

Carlo spoke out of his terrible fear, without dignity, without any kind of pride
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Carlo: Mike, I'm innocent -- I swear on the kids, Mike -- Please, Mike, don't do this to me
Michael: Sit down
Carlo: Mike, don't do this to me, please....

My take, Gianni Russo was very good and pulled off all of the above including his enormous relief! that Carlo's only punishment was only "out of the Family business"

Master manipulator Michael
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Come on. Don't be afraid, Carlo -- Come on, you think I'd make my sister a widow? I'm Godfather to your son, Carlo --

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1094367
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Remember his smirk -- Michael's right hand-man in Nevada and Thank you, Papa..

Carlo thinks he can lure Sonny to his murder and somehow that Carlo's only punishment was only "out of the Family business" which he was never in

As I remember, Russo muscled his way in -- threatened Brando who thought he was acting -- to get the part

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Trojan] #1094385
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Tom: Now your new son-in-law; give him something important?
Vito: Never. Give him a living, but never discuss the Family business with him

Originally Posted by Trojan
If Carlo didn't admit what he did, didn't confess he fingered Sonny for the Barzini people Then what?
Michael's right hand-man in Nevada

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1094387
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Originally Posted by Kangaroo Don
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Come on. Don't be afraid, Carlo -- Come on, you think I'd make my sister a widow? I'm Godfather to your son, Carlo
And you stood Godfather to our baby -- you lousy cold-hearted bastard.

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Trojan] #1094916
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Originally Posted by Trojan
As I remember, Russo muscled his way in -- threatened Brando who thought he was acting -- to get the part

Gianni Russo had to battle Marlon Brando after snagging Carlo Rizzi role in “The Godfather”
Silive.com 03 October 2022

He’s [Carlo Rizzi] a central character in two of the most iconic scenes in what many consider to be the greatest film of all time, “The Godfather.”

According to Gianni Russo Extracts:
  • Battling Brando
But Gianni Russo, who played traitorous Carlo Rizzi in the film, had to go nose-to-nose with Vito Corleone himself, legendary actor Marlon Brando, before filming even began.

Russo had never acted before landing his role in the movie. Brando pressed Russo about his acting bona fides during an early rehearsal.
According to Russo, “He said, ‘Who’d you study with?’ I said, ‘Study what? What are you talking about?’”

Russo said Brando told director Francis Ford Coppola that he’d better re-think Russo’s casting.
“He’s trying to get me fired,” Russo said

Russo, who has his own lifelong familiarity with the mob, said he took Brando aside and out of earshot told the actor, “Listen to me, Mr. Brando, out of all due respect, you screw this up for me, if I get fired, I will suck on your heart. You will bleed out here today. If this guy fires me because of you, you’re dead.”
Brando, Russo said, stepped back and told him, “‘That was brilliant.’ He thought I was acting. I meant it.”

Brando later took Russo under his wing, helping him conceptualize the chilling scene where Michael tells Carlo that he’s is going to be exiled from the Corleone family only to have him whacked. “That’s Brando,” Russo said. “Brando was my only acting teacher.”

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Gianni Russo had to battle Marlon Brando after snagging Carlo Rizzi role in “The Godfather”
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According to Gianni Russo Extracts:
  • No Stranger To The Mob
In his youth, Russo was a messenger for mob boss Frank Costello. And Tommy Bilotti, gunned down with mob boss and fellow Staten Islander Paul Castellano in 1985, was best man at Russo’s wedding.

Russo had paid for his own screen test in order to land a role in “The Godfather,” but Paramount Pictures told him that only name actors would be cast.

Enter another real-life mob Godfather known to Russo: Joe Colombo
Colombo had founded the Italian Anti-Defamation League to protest the negative stereotypes portrayed in “The Godfather.” Colombo threatened to use his influence with movie unions to stop production of the film.

With Columbo’s blessing, Russo eventually helped broker a deal with Paramount big-wigs that allowed filming to proceed. Russo was rewarded with the role of Carlo Rizzi. “And it changed my life,” he said.

Russo said he helped “Godfather” producers find the celebrated house on Longfellow Road on Emerson Hill where the movie’s wedding scene was filmed. Russo said his father used to do gardening up there.

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Kangaroo Don] #1095057
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According to Gianni Russo --
We have to take everything with a pinch of salt He is known to embellish everything in his favor

Re: Under / Over estimating / Lying to themselves [Re: Trojan] #1095085
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Originally Posted by Trojan
According to Gianni Russo --
We have to take everything with a pinch of salt He is known to embellish everything in his favor

That is the understatement of the century, lol! He's so full of shit that his eyes are turning brown.


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He still milking and people still buying

Russo is an actor, singer, movie producer, author and entrepreneur with Corleone Fine Family foods and other “Godfather”-themed endeavors.

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Frankie Pentangeli believes that Frankie can "betray omerta and his own Don" and
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Pentangeli: Ah that's great -- that's beautiful -- some deal I made

FBI man #2: Ah, you'll live like a king -- you'll be a hero. You'll live better in here than most people on the outside

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Roth believes he could take Michael down and then continue to live the life of a retired investor on a pension, on $300 million

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