Originally Posted by British
Can most current members actually even find Italy on a map!


Lol lol

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Two_Times
No need. At this stage it appears more of a symbolic thing than something needed if you are a hard core successful criminal. What are the advantages? Back in the day there were many but now?


Nicely said.

Originally Posted by Hollander
The 'Ndrangheta has accepted gypsies into their ranks, granted they lived in Italy for centuries they are Roma or Sinti not Calabrian, Sicilian.


+1

Now, I know that if I say this, lots of fanatics might come after me Lol, but from the 1940's up until the 1980's Chicago had more than few non-Italian "bosses" who completely knew on who was made and who wasnt, and also completely knew the Mafia's hierarchy and on who belonged on which spot or which areas were controlled by the Italian made guys. Lots of Chicago's non-Italian "members" grew up with members of the Cosa Nostra brotherhood and so they were able to receive lots of information. Im talking about guys like Guzik, Humphreys, Alex, Patrick, Pierce, Kruse, Yaras, Corngold, the German etc. and if anyone of these fellas ever became an informant, like Lenny Patrick, they were going to give the government complete picture of the Italian Cosa Nostra organization, and thats what Patrick did, meaning he was one of the most credible informants for saying that Carlisi was the boss and DiFronzo the underboss, after Aiuppa's and Cerone's imprisonment, meaning it wasnt Ferriola like most media and government sources said at the time. Another example is from the 1960's or when Frank Ferraro died or was about to die, the Daddano clan was allegedly quite worried on how much Ferraro told Gus Alex regarding the innerworkings of the Italian brotherhood and Accardo was also allegedly worried about it. Thats why by the early 1970's Alex became one of the top 3 or 4 leaders of the Outfit (Accardo, Aiuppa, Cerone (released in 1973/74), Alex) and remained in that position for quite some time, but on the other hand, after Ricca's death or after the death of the old "Capone faction", the whole non-Italian group began shrinking, almost to a non-existence. So regarding Outfit secrets, I dont see much difference between a made guy and non-made guy during those days. Maybe if they kept the non-Italian "members", the Outfit might've been number one crime family in the US even today?!


Mongol General: Conan, what is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.