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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Netherlands 'strongly' condemns Iran's attack on Israel OUR PARLIAMENTARY EDITORIAL
THE HAGUE - The Dutch outgoing cabinet and members of the House of Representatives react with great concern to Iran's attack on Israel. According to outgoing Prime Minister Mark Rutte, there is a "very worrying situation" in the Middle East. “The Netherlands strongly condemns Iran's attacks on Israel,” Rutte said.
MPs also express their horror at the attack. PVV leader Geert Wilders expresses support for Israel. “Stay strong Israel. We will always stand with you and support you against the dark forces of terror!”
“In these hours we know we are connected to Israel and all who now live in fear and tension,” writes party leader Mirjam Bikker of the CU. "We continue to pray for peace.”
GP faction chairman Chris Stoffer quotes a psalm on X that expresses support and strength for Israel.
Rutte emphasizes that the Netherlands and other countries have previously sent the message 'loud and clear' to refrain from attacking Israel. The Netherlands strongly condemns Iran's attacks on Israel. Further escalation must be prevented," said Rutte, who held an emergency meeting with ministers Ollongren (Defense) and Bruins Slot (Foreign Affairs). “We continue to monitor developments very closely.” Ollongren adds: “The Netherlands is closely monitoring the current situation, partly because of our military presence in the region.” For example, the Dutch naval ship Zr. Ms. Tromp is currently participating in the American-led mission Prosperity Guardian in the Red Sea.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Hamas/Gaza is now secondary this is so much bigger. Iran has also threatened to target US forces in the Middle East.
Over 200 Iranian weapons used according to the IDF. more then 100 balistic rocket have been intercept the biggest number ever to tackle The Iron Dome is working thank God, without it would be very different. Although this was just the first attack between two powerful states the future doesn't look good. For now the threat is over I believe.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Hamas/Gaza is now secondary this is so much bigger. Iran has also threatened to target US forces in the Middle East.
Over 200 Iranian weapons used according to the IDF. more then 100 balistic rocket have been intercept the biggest number ever to tackle The Iron Dome is working thank God, without it would be very different. Although this was just the first attack between two powerful states the future doesn't look good. For now the threat is over I believe. yes it's over. for now... let's if israel will make the next move and if we do what's gonna happened next
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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This will impact the Gaza War on many levels moving forward. It is now unlikely that an Israeli invasion of Rafah will proceed anytime in the near future. Also, with Israel's attention drawn to Iran, there will be little progress in returning hostages to their families in Israel. the gaza war is israel vs iran war. hamas is iranian proxy. this all war is the us war against russia and china. israel is sort of an american player in the region. this is world war 3 we are witnessing in a lower effect right now. the future will be america vs china i guess
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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This will impact the Gaza War on many levels moving forward. It is now unlikely that an Israeli invasion of Rafah will proceed anytime in the near future. Also, with Israel's attention drawn to Iran, there will be little progress in returning hostages to their families in Israel. the gaza war is israel vs iran war. hamas is iranian proxy. this all war is the us war against russia and china. israel is sort of an american player in the region. this is world war 3 we are witnessing in a lower effect right now. the future will be america vs china i guess Politically yes, militarily no. Previously, it was Iranian proxies doing the fighting. Now, Iran has committed to direct conflict with Israel, escalating the Gaza War to a regional conflict. China isn't ready for a war with the US and her Asian allies, however, Putin seeks to escalate to global conflict.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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This will impact the Gaza War on many levels moving forward. It is now unlikely that an Israeli invasion of Rafah will proceed anytime in the near future. Also, with Israel's attention drawn to Iran, there will be little progress in returning hostages to their families in Israel. It will also impact the war in Ukraine and geopolitics between the superpowers. I agree
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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China and also India are crucial they don't want a direct conflict with the West, Russia and Iran are unpredictable. india are fine they won't do anything against anyone. china are still a mystery whether they will do anything or not regarding to taiwan Japan is also very worried about China, they are NATO's partners in the Indo-Pacific region, together with Australia, the Republic of Korea and New Zealand.
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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China and also India are crucial they don't want a direct conflict with the West, Russia and Iran are unpredictable. india are fine they won't do anything against anyone. china are still a mystery whether they will do anything or not regarding to taiwan Japan is also very worried about China, they are NATO's partners in the Indo-Pacific region, together with Australia, the Republic of Korea and New Zealand. yes i hope will make sure china have no crazy idea like their russian and muslim persian friends...
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Re: Israel: 'State of war'
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Biden tells Netanyahu US will not engage in counteroffensive against Iran, calls Saturday a win for Israel Netanyahu has to do something they will do it themselves. Even before last night's drone and missile attack by Iran, concerns about Israel's retaliation were greater than concerns about the much longer announced air strike itself. This afternoon, the Israeli war cabinet will meet to possibly make a decision on retaliation, says correspondent Ralph Dekkers from Tel Aviv. "Officials are already saying there will be harsh retaliation."
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IRAN’S ATTEMPT TO HIT ISRAEL WITH A RUSSIAN-STYLE STRIKE PACKAGE FAILED...FOR NOW
Apr 14, 2024 - ISW Press
Iran’s Attempt to Hit Israel with a Russian-Style Strike Package Failed...for Now
Brian Carter and Frederick W. KaganThe Iranian April 13 missile-drone attack on Israel was very likely intended to cause significant damage below the threshold that would trigger a massive Israeli response. The attack was designed to succeed, not to fail. The strike package was modeled on those the Russians have used repeatedly against Ukraine to great effect. The attack caused more limited damage than intended likely because the Iranians underestimated the tremendous advantages Israel has in defending against such strikes compared with Ukraine. The Iranians will learn lessons from this strike and work to improve their abilities to penetrate Israeli defenses over time as the Russians have done in repeated strike series against Ukraine. The strike consisted of approximately 170 drones, 30 cruise missiles, and 120 ballistic missiles.[1] The drones were launched well before the ballistic missiles were fired, very likely in the expectation that they would arrive in Israel’s air defense window at about the same time as the cruise missiles and drones. The Russians have used such an approach against Ukraine repeatedly.[2] The purpose of such a package is to have the slower cruise missiles and drones distract and overwhelm air defenses in order to allow the ballistic missiles, which are much harder to shoot down, to reach their targets. The Iranians very likely expected that few if any of the cruise missiles and drones would hit their targets, but likely hoped that a significantly higher percentage of the ballistic missiles would do so. Only a few ballistic missiles penetrated Israeli air defenses and struck near Israeli military bases out of the 120 or so the Iranians fired.[3] Ukrainian air defenses have averaged interception rates of only about 46% of Russian ballistic missiles during recent large strikes. The Iranians likely expected that Israeli rates would be higher than the Ukrainian rates but not above 90% against such a large ballistic missile salvo—the Russians, after all, have never fired close to that many large ballistic missiles in a single strike against Ukraine. Ukraine frequently intercepts more than 75% of Russian cruise missiles and drones, but many of those interceptions occur within the air defense umbrella that is also occupied with ballistic missile defense. The Iranians thus likely expected that at least some of their drones and cruise missiles would interfere with Israeli targeting of incoming ballistic missiles, whereas apparently none did. Source: The Institute for the Study of War and the Critical Threats Project at the American Enterprise Institute Israel’s air defense system has a number of obvious advantages over Ukrainian air defense, but the full implications of some of those advantages might well have been unclear to Iranian strike planners. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Israel’s allies have much larger and robust anti-missile and air defense systems and stocks of interceptors for them than Ukraine does—especially as Ukraine exhausts its supplies of interceptors while awaiting renewed US military assistance. Israel also benefits from the roughly 1,000 kilometers separating its borders from Iran’s. Israel and its allies used that distance to intercept all of the incoming drones and cruise missiles with ground-based air defense and combat aircraft before they even came within Israel’s own missile-defense umbrella. Israel and its allies employed hundreds of combat aircraft in this effort.[4] Ukraine lacks both of these advantages.[5] Iran also lacks access to the near-hypersonic missiles Russia has used to penetrate Ukrainian air defenses more reliably—at least for now. Ukraine has, in particular, been unable to use combat aircraft to shoot down Russian drones and cruise missiles at scale, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky recently observed that Kyiv will likely use the F-16s Ukraine will receive this summer in those roles.[6] It has long been known that both drones and cruise missiles can be shot down by combat aircraft, but the Ukraine war has not yet seen a concerted effort made by a large and modern air force to intercept drone and cruise missile strikes at scale, and it is very possible that the Iranians underestimated the effectiveness of that effort. Iran will learn additional lessons from the failed April 13 attack that it can leverage to launch more successful attacks in the future. The lessons that Iran will draw from this attack will allow it to build more successful strike packages in the future. The attack probably helped Iran identify the relative strengths and the weaknesses of the Israeli air defense system. Iran will likely also share the lessons it learned in this attack with Russia. Russia will then use these lessons to improve its ability to defeat US- and NATO-provided air defense systems in Ukraine. Iran may be able to share lessons with Russia about the relative strengths and weaknesses of US-built aircraft and air-to-air missiles in intercepting these missiles and drones. Iran’s ability to penetrate Israeli air defenses with even a small number of large ballistic missiles presents serious security concerns for Israel. The only Iranian missiles that got through hit an Israeli military base, limiting the damage, but a future strike in which several ballistic missiles penetrate Israeli air defenses and hit Tel Aviv or Haifa could cause significant civilian casualties and damage to civilian infrastructure, including ports and energy. Russian strikes on Ukraine have demonstrated that even a small number of precise strikes against key nodes in energy or other infrastructure can cause disproportionate effects. Israel and its partners should not emerge from this successful defense with any sense of complacency. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran%E2%80%99s-attempt-hit-israel-russian-style-strike-package-failedfor-now
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