Outside families from NYC,NJ and Bufalino, I'd say there were guys in NYS that at least had connections with Chicago,Cleveland,Philadelphia,Pittsburgh, Youngstown,Canada,if those places weren't actually operating in NYS at some point in the Mob's history
I completely agree, Havana. In fact, I'm certain that there were many, many knockaround guys sprinkled throughout NYS who had friendships or connections - loose, formal or otherwise - with guys from a lot of different crews all across the nation.
But that doesn't mean that those out-of-state fellas or families ever put down stakes and did business or operated within NYS, understand what I'm trying to say?
I understand what you are trying to say (BTW I accidently left out the obvious Buffalo). And I agree
But although no flag was planted by some of those families,as you say many NYS knockaround guys might have had friendships or connections ,
.I think you just clarified what I was trying to imply which is that you say some may have been loose,formal or otherwise.My emphasis is on the word "Formal"
To me that means that you aren't ruling out that even if a guy hung with and associated or partnered with guys from the Bufalinos or Maggadinos,etc that they may well have been made guys in places with no flag planted in NYS like Chicago,Cleveland,etc or been in one of the mafias in Italy
Likewise,would you agree that a guy who for example lives in Binghamton,associates and has partnerships with Binghamton or Bufalino Family could actually be made with one of the 5 Families or Maggadino, or NJ or some other family that does have a flag planted in NYS ?
Havana, let me put it another way for you, ok.
I'm sure there were many knockaround guys from upstate NY who were met, or become friends, with mafiosi from many different cities and states throughout the U.S. Why not? Thats not hard to believe, because through the course of one's lifetime, through sheer happenstance, through blood or mutual friendships, we meet folks, and relationships start.
As a kid through a neighborhood friend who has a cousin of his visiting from Brooklyn (who grows up to become somebody,) as a young man in the U.S. Armed Services where you meet a fellow soldier in your platoon or on your ship who, in later life, becomes a top guy (who you had been friendly with,) through a job, etc., etc.
There are one million-and-one ways for two people to meet. Thats a given, right?
But that does not mean they were "partners" with one another in any activity or business. And even if they were, one individual (out-of-town mafioso) to another individual, does NOT mean his respective Mafia family from out-of-town had no "planted their flag." Thats NOT considered an "incursion" into a territory where a faction of that said Mafia Family is now operating on that territory.
It that were the case, the given benchmark, where Dows it stop? That means that every family potentially operated everywhere. And we know thats not the case.
