Originally Posted by Toodoped
Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by Toodoped
The small kid that was accidentally killed by Mad Dog Coll and his crew during a shootout and also the neighborhood doctor from the St Valentine's Day massacre.

. Very good examples


Thanks. Also we must define the term "civilian" because I see some people still believe that Chicago's Daniel Seifert was allegedly an honest businessman. The reality is that he wasnt but instead, he was an official Outfit associate of the Grand Avenue crew, meaning he was connected and paid the price for it.

We also have another type of so-called "civilians" like Estelle Carey. She was the girlfriend of a made member and so she possibly hung around most of the dangerous fellas, meaning she was also "playing with fire" and in the end she also paid the ultimate price. The same thing happened to the doctor from the St. Valentine's Day massacre, meaning he was hanging around with gangsters who at the same time were involved in the most brutal conflict, meaning he was also asking for it.

There are also another type of "civilians" who worked legally but were naïve and didnt understand that their coworkers were in fact associated with the Outfit. Such example was the 1976 murder of Rita Payonk. Sources say that she began realizing that some of her colleagues were making shady deals and so she had to be eliminated. In the end, the investigators connected Payonk’s murder to the narcotics business since some of the employees were involved in the scheme. You can read about that particular case in the Mobile Catering Business article which can be found at the Button Guys site.

. Sure absolutely there are definitely those who are kind of associated with them although we’ve also seen from examples people in this thread that there are also a good amount who has nothing to do with the life who got killed.

Last edited by JCrusher; 01/15/24 08:24 AM.