Originally Posted by CNote
Guys like Jimmy Burke, Joe Watts, maybe Jimmy Coonan, Willie Boy Johnson and probably a lot more Italianss and Sicilians were like "made associates" where they were treated like soldiers, with the full backing of the Family to do business, but never would be made part of the Family for whatever reason. Pimps and madame would be under the umbrella of a soldier and would be associates, but on a lower level than the names I listed above. Richard Basciano who ran Sex World on Eighth Ave and shared an office with Roy DeMeo was another one of these characters, Ruby Stein too.




Using the examples of guys with positions like Willie Boy Johnson,Jimmy Burke,and Jim Watts,but are guys of Italian/Sicilian heritge can you provide some of the reasons of why they would not be made?

And using the example of Richard Basciano,who was I assume what you are describig as a "Made Associate", are people working directly under him some kind of Less than "Made Associates" since in effect they are working for the family ,but may never even get to meet the Made guy like DeMeo who is boss of their boss ,the Made Associate Richard Basciano?
Another way to put it would be if a "Made Associate" owned restaurants, would his employees be considered in any way to be connrected to the family,especially key employees close to the Made Associate?