And as far as the NY ratcasters go, they are a bigger embarrassment to that life in my opinion. They focus on proving how tough they were but they all turned on their friends when facing more prison time. Joey was looking at the death penalty and 99% he would have taken the time and kept his mouth shut. John Pennisi seems like the only one who isn’t out there talking about how fuckin tough he was. Like him or not he seems to be different than the others.