NYM, I would say it's because on one hand, they seem to be largely dead in the water, then on the other hand, something happens to where my jaw drops and I'm like, how the hell did they manage to pull that off in today's world. I think we should avoid speaking in absolute terms. What I'm saying, there's the one extreme, where people say that it's anything like it was, then there's the other extreme, where we say that it's completely dead.