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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/22/23 06:01 PM
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It's almost ironic how these horror-levels of violence started. Even though extreme acts of violence have always been around in Mexico's drug world, it were indeed Los Zetas who were arguably the originators of committing these brutalities on such a scale as well as distributing these filmed acts to the public. Their original point of view was that if they would capture and slaughter a few rival cartel members in the most heinous way they could think of, it would scare all of the other cartels off and rivals would get discouraged from interfering with their routes. They actually thought that if they would brutalize only a comparatively few rivals to set an example their newfound reputation would do the rest and they would actually have to commit less violence in the long run. It's an age old guerrilla tactic.
As we can see, the opposite actually happened and as a reaction to the Zetas modus operandi basically EVERY active cartel in Mexico began with the dismembering, sledgehammering, beheading, flaying, burning, boiling, etc...and now it's just a continuous freakshow contest in trying to one-up and outgross each other when finding ways to butcher rivals.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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It's almost ironic how these horror-levels of violence started. Even though extreme acts of violence have always been around in Mexico's drug world, it were indeed Los Zetas who were arguably the originators of committing these brutalities on such a scale as well as distributing these filmed acts to the public. Their original point of view was that if they would capture and slaughter a few rival cartel members in the most heinous way they could think of, it would scare all of the other cartels off and rivals would get discouraged from interfering with their routes. They actually thought that if they would brutalize only a comparatively few rivals to set an example their newfound reputation would do the rest and they would actually have to commit less violence in the long run. It's an age old guerrilla tactic.
As we can see, the opposite actually happened and as a reaction to the Zetas modus operandi basically EVERY active cartel in Mexico began with the dismembering, sledgehammering, beheading, flaying, burning, boiling, etc...and now it's just a continuous freakshow contest in trying to one-up and outgross each other when finding ways to butcher rivals. Not only Los Zetas started it , but they were worst of the worst , with their mass murders of innocent people , insane tortures and so on. There are still stuff like "guerrero flaying" and "funkytown" that are considered to be worst stuff cartels did , but Zetas were on another level.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/22/23 06:42 PM
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It's almost ironic how these horror-levels of violence started. Even though extreme acts of violence have always been around in Mexico's drug world, it were indeed Los Zetas who were arguably the originators of committing these brutalities on such a scale as well as distributing these filmed acts to the public. Their original point of view was that if they would capture and slaughter a few rival cartel members in the most heinous way they could think of, it would scare all of the other cartels off and rivals would get discouraged from interfering with their routes. They actually thought that if they would brutalize only a comparatively few rivals to set an example their newfound reputation would do the rest and they would actually have to commit less violence in the long run. It's an age old guerrilla tactic.
As we can see, the opposite actually happened and as a reaction to the Zetas modus operandi basically EVERY active cartel in Mexico began with the dismembering, sledgehammering, beheading, flaying, burning, boiling, etc...and now it's just a continuous freakshow contest in trying to one-up and outgross each other when finding ways to butcher rivals. Not only Los Zetas started it , but they were worst of the worst , with their mass murders of innocent people , insane tortures and so on. There are still stuff like "guerrero flaying" and "funkytown" that are considered to be worst stuff cartels did , but Zetas were on another level. It wasn't their original intention, but Los Zetas went off the rails quickly. Lazcano started to get high on his own supply and his methods became increasingly outrageous and deranged. The mass murders of migrants and innocents however started when Treviño took over the reigns. Unlike the original Zetas, Treviño wasn't a trained and experienced soldier but a usual hoodlum. Subsequent Zetas recruits were also just hoodlums instead of trained soldiers. Nowadays there's a split between a faction of what's left of the original Los Zetas and the so-called CDN. I remember reading that especially CDN nowadays is made up of garden variety psychos and junkies. The OG Zetas remnants are still their own organization, but ironically they've allied with Gulf Cartel. For some reason many of the most notorious video's are not by Los Zetas. "Guerrero Flaying" was done by a lesser know local drug trafficking gang named Los Viagras and I think that the Sinaloa Cartel were the ones behind "Funkytown". Last year a ton of video's could be traced back to CJNG.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/23/23 10:55 AM
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The OG Zetas remnants are still their own organization, but ironically they've allied with Gulf Cartel. I don't know if there is anyone alive from the OG Zetas , i am speaking about people that are ex-military/special forces, most of them are dead or in prison , a few of them are still free , but since no one saw them for 10+ years , i would say they are all dead. Last year a ton of video's could be traced back to CJNG.
CJNG is most 'active' cartel in the past 4-5 years and also cartel with most territory under their control. They are waging wars with various groups all over Mexico , but i think as fast as they rose to top , they will fall down , same with Zetas.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/23/23 11:04 AM
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It's almost ironic how these horror-levels of violence started. Even though extreme acts of violence have always been around in Mexico's drug world, it were indeed Los Zetas who were arguably the originators of committing these brutalities on such a scale as well as distributing these filmed acts to the public. Their original point of view was that if they would capture and slaughter a few rival cartel members in the most heinous way they could think of, it would scare all of the other cartels off and rivals would get discouraged from interfering with their routes. They actually thought that if they would brutalize only a comparatively few rivals to set an example their newfound reputation would do the rest and they would actually have to commit less violence in the long run. It's an age old guerrilla tactic.
As we can see, the opposite actually happened and as a reaction to the Zetas modus operandi basically EVERY active cartel in Mexico began with the dismembering, sledgehammering, beheading, flaying, burning, boiling, etc...and now it's just a continuous freakshow contest in trying to one-up and outgross each other when finding ways to butcher rivals. So whoever was running the Zetas was a fucking idiot.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/23/23 03:29 PM
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This is what is left of Los Zetas:
Talibanes (Z-50 and Z-50 people) they operate in Zacatecas and Aguascalientes.
Alemanes (people loyal to The Alemán) they operate in San Luis Potosí. Alemán used to be Z-40 right hand but he switch sides and created a cell called the Alemanes. They are fighting against the CJNG in San Luis Potosí.
Old School Zetas: (Chuy Sierra 7 and Pawa are there leaders) they operate in the center of Tamaulipas like: Ciudad Victoria, San Fernando, Mendez, Barretal, Ciudad Mante, etc. They maintain a truce peace with CDG from Matamoros and CDG Metros.
CDN (They don’t have much power outside of Nuevo Laredo)
Sangre Nueva Zeta (El Buchanan’s it’s their leader) they operate in Veracruz, Puebla, Tlaxcal The fragmentation and subsequent demise of Los Zetas is no surprise. They were never gonna last. At the end of the day they were more of an insurgent group whereas the Sinaloa, Guadalajara/Jalisco, Juarez, Tijuana and Gulf cartels all have long standing organizational structures.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/23/23 03:32 PM
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It's almost ironic how these horror-levels of violence started. Even though extreme acts of violence have always been around in Mexico's drug world, it were indeed Los Zetas who were arguably the originators of committing these brutalities on such a scale as well as distributing these filmed acts to the public. Their original point of view was that if they would capture and slaughter a few rival cartel members in the most heinous way they could think of, it would scare all of the other cartels off and rivals would get discouraged from interfering with their routes. They actually thought that if they would brutalize only a comparatively few rivals to set an example their newfound reputation would do the rest and they would actually have to commit less violence in the long run. It's an age old guerrilla tactic.
As we can see, the opposite actually happened and as a reaction to the Zetas modus operandi basically EVERY active cartel in Mexico began with the dismembering, sledgehammering, beheading, flaying, burning, boiling, etc...and now it's just a continuous freakshow contest in trying to one-up and outgross each other when finding ways to butcher rivals. So whoever was running the Zetas was a fucking idiot. A combination of getting power hungry and getting high on your own supply never leads to a good outcome.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/23/23 03:44 PM
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Do the bosses of these cartels ever have sit downs with one another? A famous sit-down happened in 2007 between El Chapo and Heriberto Lazcano, the original leader of Los Zetas who was then still in charge of the enforcement wing for the Gulf Cartel. The sit-down was organized to decide which plazas in which states would remain under control of Gulf Cartel and which would go to the Sinaloa Cartel. A funny anecdote I've read about that particular meeting is the following; " When the Zetas met for a meeting with the Sinaloa Cartel in 2007 in Tamaulipas... El Chapo was the last to arrive and looked straight at El Lazca and said "If I was gay, I would've fucked you by now." " Lazcano at that time was still a trained military guy and allegedly he was really good looking lol. Meetings used to happen way more in the past. Don't forget that Guadalajara/Jalisco, Sinaloa, Juarez and Tijuana all used to operate under the same umbrella with the Gulf Cartel being the only major cartel that operated as a truly separate organization. It doesn't seem like there's much sit-downs going on these days. Nowadays it's basically one big shit show of everyone fighting everyone and more and more organizations that used to be wings of a bigger cartel thinking they can strike out on their own.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/23/23 04:20 PM
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Do the bosses of these cartels ever have sit downs with one another? A famous sit-down happened in 2007 between El Chapo and Heriberto Lazcano, the original leader of Los Zetas who was then still in charge of the enforcement wing for the Gulf Cartel. The sit-down was organized to decide which plazas in which states would remain under control of Gulf Cartel and which would go to the Sinaloa Cartel. A funny anecdote I've read about that particular meeting is the following; " When the Zetas met for a meeting with the Sinaloa Cartel in 2007 in Tamaulipas... El Chapo was the last to arrive and looked straight at El Lazca and said "If I was gay, I would've fucked you by now." " Lazcano at that time was still a trained military guy and allegedly he was really good looking lol. Meetings used to happen way more in the past. Don't forget that Guadalajara/Jalisco, Sinaloa, Juarez and Tijuana all used to operate under the same umbrella with the Gulf Cartel being the only major cartel that operated as a truly separate organization. It doesn't seem like there's much sit-downs going on these days. Nowadays it's basically one big shit show of everyone fighting everyone and more and more organizations that used to be wings of a bigger cartel thinking they can strike out on their own. I Firmly believe this shit show will end sooner than later and eventually the new bosses that take over will make changes where the cartels are ran like the LCN here in America. They are going to realize that violence isn't the best option when running things.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/23/23 05:51 PM
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I Firmly believe this shit show will end sooner than later and eventually the new bosses that take over will make changes where the cartels are ran like the LCN here in America. They are going to realize that violence isn't the best option when running things. That will never happen, this level of violence will eventually end but its never going to be like Cosa Nostra in US. Its same with Colombia,Brasil and so on. Too many groups and too many people living off of drugs ,high level of corruption, there will always be more violence than anywhere else in the world.
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Re: 5 Young Men Beheaded by Mexican Drug Cartel
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08/23/23 06:11 PM
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Don't forget Mexico was home to the Mayans lol.
Maya culture
Sculpture in the Great Ballcourt at Chichen Itza depicting sacrifice by decapitation. The figure at left holds the severed head of the figure at right, who spouts blood in the form of serpents from his neck During the pre-Columbian era, human sacrifice in Maya culture was the ritual offering of nourishment to the gods and goddesses. Blood was viewed as a potent source of nourishment for the Maya deities, and the sacrifice of a living creature was a powerful blood offering. By extension, the sacrifice of human life was the ultimate offering of blood to the gods, and the most important Maya rituals culminated in human sacrifice. Generally, only high-status prisoners of war were sacrificed, and lower status captives were used for labor.[1]
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