We all know of Roy Demeo and Anthony Casso, then of course Tommy Pitera. But other than those guys, who in your opinion were the biggest psychopaths in the American Mafia?

Who took a true passion in killing people? Like how Ted Bundy enjoyed killing women or say John Wayne Gacy?

Is there anyone out there currently who has a reputation for just fucking up people for the fun of it?

Sam DeStafano, Scarpa, Felix Alderiso, Joe Waverly, Joe Watts, Frank Schweighs, Lefty Ruggiero, Scarfo

Joe Watts is not a psychopath. Not even close. Tough guy? Sure. Deadly? That depends on your actions. I've never heard of him hurting anyone who didn't have it coming.

To be honest, I just threw out a bunch of names of guys who off the top of my head who put it in alot of "work." Thats on me, and apologies if I offended or gave out bad info.

We can all talk about this or that mobster....but when it comes down to being a real psycho and also making A LOT of cash at the same time, Sam "Dyno" aka "Mad Sam" Destefano was second to none. Maybe we can include Tommy Pitera in the mix too but still, I believe DeStefano was the real deal, and there was no other more "dangerous patient" like him in the whole US mob at the time. Telling to some of his victims that they are going to be a sacrifice to Satan, or putting them into a meat grinder or even urinating in someones drink, or running almost naked before the judge and all newspaper men and showing surgical scars, followed by forcing his own wife to have sex with a black dude at gunpoint or comin in pajamas around some of the famous night clubs at the time....i mean WOW lol If Pitera ever met "Dyno", Pitera was probably going to be like "Dude, what the fuck?!" Lol

But by the end of the day DeStefano was one of the biggest loan sharks at the time and also financed many dope deals and also controlled burglary crews and gambling operators. So DeStefano was bringing millions and also had the balls to say to Giancana something like "Fuck off" or something to that extent, obviously because they were friends for a very long time period.

Sam DeStefano

The guy was crazy.......

The only person that he could control him in Chicago was Giancana and Paul Ricca....

He didn't respect Auippa; Accardo or Cerone....

Once Ricca died; He was vulnerable ...

On Sam DeStafano, Scarpa I agree. I don't think Lefty Ruggerio or Joe Watts fit the profile.

I believe Valachi was actually ruled insane before he testified but it was kept secret. Prison doctors examine him
and said so, then later it was revealed many in his family were suicides or committed to mental institutions.

The Carnegs were just under the Gemini Crew in my book.

To be honest, Sam DeStefano is the only one who truly fits the bill as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure some of the other guys enjoyed killing, but it was usually people who either asked for it or made them paranoid. I think DeStefano is the only one who would go out and kill someone for no reason.

Interesting stuff guys.

....in addition to my previous post, besides being a total psycho, torturer and a murderer, I already said that during the 50s and 60s he was making millions out various rackets but one of the most interesting thing for me is that DeStefano corrupted so many cops to the level which some of DeStefanos juice victims were brought in police cars straight to his headquarters. Story goes that he had whole police squads on juice and so they had to work it out somehow, and obviously one of the things was to find some of his juice victims and to bring them over to him. One of DeStefanos crazy statements on national televesion while counting money in front of all news reporters, was that he can lend money even to the US President if he wanted to, or something to that extent, was somehow true lol

This guy deserves a film made about how scary he was.

100%

Sam DeStefano had a sound proof torture chamber in the basement of his house. I'd say that goes above and beyond. There was an episode of "Mobsters" that featured Sam and there was footage of him threatening reporters to leave his brother alone and he looked like he was pretty unhinged. Bet there were some relieved folks in Chicago when Tony Spilotro blasted him a few times with the shotgun in his garage/driveway.

Spilotro and DeStefano's brother Mario (another made guy) were allegedly the two hitmen. Interesting to note is that Mario killed his brother Sam, while previously both of them (Sam and Mario) killed their third brother Michael DeStefano who in turn was allegedly a junkie. "Family tradition" lol

@Liggio

You said it correct; DeStefano seem like the only guy in that life who “Would kill for no reason”….

He was a nasty; nasty guy…. He deserved what happened to him….

And like I was saying; Once Paul Ricca and Sam Giancana were gone…. (His protectors)

He was done….

The word psychopath is commonly misused and misunderstood today. A lot of them are in risk averse lifestyles like firemen, military, etc. And all other walks of life, men and women both, school teachers and on and on. Most certainly never kill anybody or even ever commit violent crimes. That's not to say they aren't dangerous and basically their own shade of evil.

Is there a go to documentary piece on Mad Dog?

Yep, Mario walked in front of Tony to block Sam's view of the shotgun and then Tony blew Sam's arm almost off at the elbow before he hit him in the chest. That photo of Sam laying dead on his back with his beady black rodent eyes......Wonder if they had to perform an exorcism or something on Sam's torture chamber in the basement? I also wonder how much $$$$ Sam had stashed in that house, he was making millions of dollars and for a long time. All the abuse he gave his wife and you can hear her wailing and calling out for Sam on that news footage they had when the police were at the crime scene to do an investigation with Sam's corpse covered up by a sheet in the garage and Sam's wife came home.

As much as you may not believe all his stories, wouldnt the Iceman be considered one of the biggest psychopaths when it comes to what we are talking about?

I believe that he killed people, just wasn't the mob hitman he claimed. Not a single photo of him anywhere with any mobsters.

But he was a psychopath correct?

But the title has mob in it.

You talking about Mad Sam or Spilotro?

Btw, they both belonged to the same crew under Battaglia, Alderisio and Nicoletti.

Mad Sam was more of a torturer and sadistic murderer then a hitman, while Spilotro was also a torturer who learned from Mad Sam and Nicoletti, but he was more of a professional hitman who did jobs almost everywhere around the midwest.

Also heres a pic of Mad Sam (left) from the 1930s together with Dominick Monaco...

I'm talking about Richard Kuklinski

Oh ok. Sorry.

Kuklinski probably wrote Alice in Wonderland lol lol

Great photograph TD. I never saw this. (or sam as a really young guy)

How many victims do you think fell to the Iceman?

Serious number please.

Not remotely near the number he claims.

He should be discussed on a serial killer blog, not a gangster blog.

He was convicted of 5 i believe. Maybe he got away for 2-3, but I’m skeptical of even that.

Psychopaths usually don't brag about being "psychopaths" , he is just narcissistic wannabe.

This was a decent thread until Kuklownski came up. The guy was a poser and the majority of his convictions came from self admissions. The last conviction, for the murder of NYPD Det. Peter Calabro, is laughable. Calabro was on Roy DeMeo's payroll, was giving him inside information, and was murdered a month before the FBI raided DeMeo's Empire Blvd auto theft ring. Kuklownski somehow got info about it, maybe from Robert DiBernardo, and used it to try and screw Sammy Gravano for being a rat. The Bergen County prosecutor ran with it and convicted Kuklownski in a bid for a higher office election.

Yeah, fucking Polack wanted to be notorious so bad he confessed to murders he didn't even do lol. And nothing against Polish people, this guy was a moron.

He killed plenty, cmon guys.

He didn't, he was charged with five murders, was convicted of two, copped to two and then copped to the Calabro murder later, that's it. No killing homeless guys on the Westside, no Jimmy Hoffa murder, no Joey Gallo murder, no Roy DeMeo murder, no John Favara murder. In reality, he was only a low level thief and an even lower Times Square porn operation associate, who produced porn copies for Robert DiBernardo. He got behind on a shylock loan from DB, who promptly sicced the Gemini Crew on him, they clocked him in the head with a metal film case, leaving a permanent scar he talks about. He was observed once at the Gemini Lounge by NYPD Task Force Det. Kenny McCabe, where allegedly bought a gun from Roy, there.
The money he earned from the HBO Series went to his wife and kids, so he was incentivized to elaborate his stories for the sake of his wife and kids.

I think he also claimed to be present at Castellano's assassination. Guy was completely delusional.

I wouldn't say delusional. He knew what he was doing.

Funny enough his interview is the most popular video of Mobfax. Of all their great videos it's most watched people don't have a clue lol.

How the f do you guys know he didnt do this or that other than assuming? The US marshall service doesnt send in a hit squad to take down a guy unless hes fuckin dangerous.
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He could've been dangerous, but he was dangerous without the mob. The motherfucker wasn't a Mafia hitman, now chill out fan boy.

My comment was in regards to those who claim he made up killing people. The US Marshall service is not that stupid. He killed alot of motherfuckers in a very brutal way.

Sorry Rush. He probably killed a bunch of people, who knows. I just find it funny that he says he did hits for like 6 crime families yet no photos of him with any wiseguys. If he was that involved with the mob surely there would be at least one surveillance photo of him somewhere.

He had delusions , not surprising it was his fantasy since he was a contract killer to make a living.

He wasn't delusional, he was building his brand to sell it. He wasn't a contract killer either. All of his other claimed murders were investigated and not a single one checked out.

Was the Marshall Service involved in his arrest? Because it was a state case that included ATF.

Can not have a psycopath list without including Little Nicky Scarfo. For christ sakes if you wore cologne he wanted you whacked

In all fairness, my allergies are the same as his were described. It's amazing my own list of murders isn't about 100 deep.

El Chapo would be considered a psychopath correct?

Unless these guys get analyzed by a psychologist, we won’t know. Not all sadists are psychopathic and these guys may not even be sadists.

..... yeah all sadistic murders and "no body, no crime" situations are "sane" actions committed by "sane" individuals, and the whole Mafia is completely "righteous"...according to the junkie crew fuck outta here

Never said that ALL were anything, I merely said that we don’t know (unless we have prison psychiatric reports or something similar). I imagine a large number of these supposed “psychopaths” certainly were sadists and some were likely true psychopaths, but again, we don’t know. Also I never said that the mafia is righteous, I think they are literally the opposite. Continue living in your fantasy where me and mafia101 are B and Angelo or whoever you think we are, but I’m not.

Sully I think you are being too technical here, nerd! Most people here and beyond would agree that they're a bunch of psychopaths.

If u don’t like technical definitions don’t use technical words…

Maybe you're "westside1931" although I thought that was mafia101 but maybe you have even more aliases than I originally thought...funny how everything is so "connected," if you know what I mean (and if you don't...go back to the Valenti thread.)

No point in arguing, I’m not westside (though I talk to him relatively frequently) or mafia 101, but it seems you already made up your mind that I’m one or both of them.

Lisa, it's like the old saying goes..."Children will be children." Lol

And like I always say, "Envious little adolescents are just that, envious little adolescents. They're also the worst kind."

Then we both know how much westside1931 loves Button Guys, don't we Sully? Since you talk to him "relatively frequently"?

But back to the topic at hand...psychopaths...here's an interesting article on the subject. Granted, it's about Sicilian mobsters, but still interesting nonetheless:

Mafia mobsters are more sensitive, family-centred and less selfish than other criminals - Study finds convicted mobsters compartmentalise their feelings to separate mob business with positive feelings towards their loved ones

Heather Saul
Tuesday 15 April 2014

Members of the Mafia are more sensitive, family orientated and less selfish than other murderers, research looking into incarcerated Sicilian mobsters has found.

Members of the Mafia also appeared to have lower psychopathic traits than other criminals, a study lead by Italian researcher Professor Adriano Schimmenti concluded.

The research involved 30 inmates who were psychologically assessed using the Hare Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R) which measures psychotic characteristics.

Seven of the Mafia members had been convicted of murder, 17 for violent crimes and the remainder for crimes such as drug trafficking, sexual exploitation and kidnapping, according to Discovery Magazine.

Those who received a score of 30 or above are considered a psychopath. None of the Mafia members scored over 30 in the researchers' test.

Instead, they expressed more concern for their family than the group of 39 non-Mafia prisoners convicted of non-gang related crimes, and never ceased to write or call them.

Furthermore, Prof Schimmenti found them to be less 'manipulative', ‘Machiavellian’, ‘narcissistic’, ‘unemotional’, ‘parasitic’ and/or ‘impulsive’ and less likely to have a substance abuse problem than the control group.

Prof Schimmenti explained this by suggesting the Mafia compartmentalised their lives and behaviours to split Mafia affairs from positive feelings towards their loved ones.

The authors did note the research only involved low ranking mafiosi, because access to higher ranking members is banned in Italy.

The team concluded: “Our findings bring new hope for resocialisation of convicted Mafia members, because they showed significant antisocial traits but they maintained a capacity for emotional connection and greater likelihood of engaging with training and resocialisation programmes than other imprisoned offenders in Italy.”

The study Mafia and Psychopathy was published in the journal Criminal Behaviour and Mental Health.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...elfish-than-other-criminals-9262482.html

I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. I take Venmo or Zelle.

Interesting article. Tnx

Back in the days (i think it was during the 40s) when Giancana was questioned by psychiatrists, he was instantly labelled as lunatic lol. Maybe the high level bosses were more narcissistic, more selfish and spread fear among their ranks with the help of animalistic violence.

Also heres one interesting quote...

"Sadism is complex in the sense that it requires an understanding of emotions.

If I'm cutting into my partners skins for example. I understand that I am causing pain. No matter how big or small that pain is felt.

I'm causing pain. I understand that I am hurting a person. I understand that the pain I cause is gratuitous, and felt in different intensities depending on who or what I hurt.

It requires an understanding of emotions, because I get off on knowing how much I've hurt someone or something. If I didn't understand emotions. I simply wouldn't do what I do. Since people who are sadistic enjoy others suffering and being the cause of that suffering.

A psychopath is described as someone who has no remorse or guilt or the ability to feel. They are emotionally crippled and blunted.

A psychopath simply wouldn't give a damn about torturing some poor animal. Or a person. They just wouldn't care.

Could they do it? Of course.

But anyone could do that. But a sadist does it because he gets off on it. A psychopath wouldn't, or I highly doubt they would or even could.

And so it's quite clear that sadists show signs of psychopathic behaviour. Yet not all psychopaths show signs of sadism."

More interesting information and insight.

Thanks TD

Did you and your buddy "westside" come up with this together? Amazes me "your friend" can't keep us out of his mouth. Also 7 hours ago??? Interesting...so I'm also going to add "bn" to the list of your aliases since we both know "bn" is the one who claims everyone is stealing his "FBI Files." Very classy post, btw. You should be proud of yourself.

(p.s. I would respond to this directly on Reddit but "westside" has me blocked. In fact, the moderators of the subreddit have me blocked as a whole so I can't comment or post at all- no surprise considering where the moderators come from.)

Look at what Westside posts on Reddit compared to my posts. He is way more knowledgeable than me, I mainly focus on the early mafia, he is more 1963-‘90s (from what I can see). You don’t think it’s possible multiple people have a problem with your website? you guys literally can’t take criticism. NYMafia and TD have agreed with you in the past so I’ll just add those to your list of aliases.

x

You already posted this, what’s your point?

Wow we are famous!!! lol These guys are obviously obsessed with us and cant handle the truth lol From my own experience, being one of the most hated individuals instantly gives you the "gift" of famousness and also gives you the number of people or followers who in turn will completely understand your projects and theories, which are always backed up by evidences. As I already said, its quite sad to see these junkies trolling every thread around here because of jealousy or some personal issues. And these guys called themselves "credible researchers"?! Again, as I already said....fuck outta here Eric_Can_Suck_Dick_Well lol

Yeah, ain't no doubt about it, they're a real classy bunch of guys...real gentlemen. Each and every one of them! LOL

Quick recap:

Thread begins:
People begin GUESSING who’s the biggest psychopath

Someone asks is El Chapo a psychopath, I then respond saying we don’t know, unless there’s a psychiatric report or something similar and for many of these guys there isn’t evidence. Murderers?psychopath always.

I think get called out for my El Chapo comment because I’m too technical.

Then TD calls me out for making a comment that ALL murderers who dismembered people were sane, I never said this. He also says I’m apart of “the junkie crew.”

Then Mafia student calls me Westside and Mafia101 because all three of us have a problem with their “world class research”

And now TD is just insulting me, again calling me B, who I’m not.

Then NYMafia joins in with the same screenshot

But this is the best forum lol

Angelo LaPietra was crazier than Mad Sam. Just so you know.

And much deadlier also...he just operated quickly as opposed to Mad Sam who was a loudmouth.

Angelos body count is just an insane number. Back then there was no DNA so it was much different.

Do you guys know from where LaPietra's nickname "The Hook" really originated from?

It comes from the situation in which LaPietra was able to "hook" many victims on juice since he was one of the most lucrative loan sharks under Buccieri and Torello. The most gruesome murder in which LaPietra was allegedly involved in was the one on a Latin operator during the days when the Outfit was taking over the bolita racket or during the late 1950's, and there were no "hooks" involved in the hit. LaPietra's bosses Buccieri and Torello together with Mad Sam were the ones who placed Action Jackson on a hook which went through his anal hole, while torturing him in many different ways.

He also used to have his men cut the eyelids off of people during interrogations. Also he skinned people like a deer. Im not making that up.

I understand what you're saying. In 1958 Santiago Gonzales was tortured by the Cicero/Chinatown crew (including LaPietra) for few days. Later when his body was found, the autopsy showed that he was brutally beaten, slashed, stabbed, and gutted so severely that his intestines spilled out of his body. But still, I believe that LaPietra was on second or third place after DeStefano. When he was younger, Ricca also allegedly cut off the head, both arms and legs from one victim and placed his torso in a suitcase but that doesnt make him a bigger psycho than DeStefano. Chuck Nicoletti was allegedly eating pasta when the victim's eye popped out because Spilotro placed his head in a vice.

In fact, its not just about the style of murders but instead, its also about the way these guys acted in front of the public and their accomplices. Theres not even one evidence regarding Ricca or LaPietra yelling at the press and showing surgical scars, or counting money. Or forcing their wives to have sex with some stranger under a gunpoint or telling people that their lives are going to be gift for Satan lol. Or raping some random girl in front of many people in some bar. Even Accardo had the type of anger within when he publicly yelled "Fuck you" at legendary Chicago reporter Sandy Smith who in turn was accompanied by at least of dozen other journalists, while Ricca was a gentleman since day one and always answered polite.

All of those guys were killers in their own right and all of them had certain "signatures" while doing it, but Mad Sam managed to breach even that "border" and many other.

You are not making it up, but it was probably made up by LE and reporters.

Actually neither. My best friend worked for him.

With both of these guys, we're talking about the lowest of the low...and its scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as morality or any type of conscience here, whatsoever. Both LaPietra and DeStefano were two real POS.

Nicely said.

Btw we also must not forget the two Outfit psychopathic killers who executed the gruesome murder of Nick Circella's “goomar” Estelle Carey.

The killers first started to stab Estelle with an ice pick several times. Than they broke her jaw, cut her with a knife and also burned her with an electric iron. In the end the killers poured flammable liquid on her legs and set them on fire. The poor girl was screaming so hard that her heart immediately stopped from the pain and so she died. They burned her alive. When to cops came to the crime scene they were stunned. They found the smoldering corpse in the dinning room of the young redhead girl in a very horrid state.

Some sources say that the two killers were allegedy Battaglia and Caifano but theres not enough evidences to support this claim. Other sources say that Battaglias associate Thomas Stapleton was allegedly the third killer or the guy who lured Carey to her demise.

Yeah, what you just described sounds like a massacre. One that the killers had to be depraved to even participate in. Horrible.

Back in the day LaPietra had so many connections in Chicago Politics and police that if he didnt like you and say shot you in the head because you crossed him the wrong way well they would make your body disappear and thats as far as it would go. Everyone feared him. The guys from the neighborhood referred to him as Satan himself.

No doubt!

When my friend was in his early 20s he would wash cars for the local mobsters in the neighborhood. Him and his good friend ran a detailing business. So one day hes at the Italian club and Angelo is there. Angelo calls him over and talks to him about a guy who my friend was very upset with that day. He tells my buddy "well heres what you do. Get a hammer because it doesn't make noise and catch him when he's alone. They wont ever know anything and we will take care of the rest."

LaPietra inherited or had many political and police contacts because of his association with the old Chinatown and South Side faction under Alex, Marcy and Fred Roti.

You see, by the mid or late 1960s, the original South Side crew was diminishing because back in 1957 Roti Sr died, followed by Frank Ferraro in 1964 and Murray Humphreys in 1965. At the same time, Ferraros and Alexs prime lieutenant Louie Tornabene was shelved, followed by other prime guy Louie Briatta who in turn retired because of serious health issues.

Thats why Alex allegedly reached out to one of the West Side capos Fiore Buccieri and they both arranged a meeting in New Mexico. Alex wanted for Buccieri to "borrow" him few collectors regarding Alexs operations in the Loop and Near South Side, and so the Gearis father and son became Alexs new collectors and the Buccieri crew took their cut.

On top of that, by the mid and late 60s, because of all of the pressure of the goverment and the arrests of the Outfits bosses, this forced Alex to temporary close down most of his ops and that was the main point in which the Buccieris began to further spread their ops around the South Side. In 73 Buccieri died and was succeeded by Torello who in turn had both Ferriola and LaPietra regarding the day-to-day ops.

So the only guys who remained from the original South Side faction at the time were Outfit or Chinatown capo Skids Caruso and his crew, Gus Alex together with the connection guys from the First Ward Marcy and Fred Roti, followed by the Lenny Patrick crew and in the end, Pierce and Kruse who during the early and mid 1970s lost most of their ops and acted as bagmen and messengers for Alex and the rest of the top bosses such Accardo and Aiuppa.

By 1976/77 both Pierce and Kruse died from natural causes, followed by Skids Caruso who in turn completely retired from the Outfit, allegedly because of serious health issues. That was the end of the original South Side mob.

Thats when Torello gave LaPietra the green light to take over the Chinatown area and inherited all of Carusos crew members. This means that former West Side capo Turk Torello became the new representative for the "new" South Side faction, with LaPietra as his new capo in Chinatown, followed by Ferriola in Cicero, followed by the connection guys from the First Ward Marcy and Roti, while Alex already received higher position on the Outfits high council. Thats why many investigators at the time thought that Torello was the new candidate for the boss position.

When Torello died in 1979, story goes that there was allegedly some type of conflict between Ferriola and LaPietra regarding the late Torellos position as main South Side rep on the Outfits board of directors. It seems that LaPietra won the conflict and received Torellos former position, thus inheriting the old "connection guys" crew together with all of their political and police contacts.

Wow, and these days they can't even fix a parking ticket.

Thats right but on the other hand, by the mid 2010s they still received legitimate and quite lucrative contracts, mainly through the firms or companies of their sons and daughters, including other relatives.

Thanks Topo, I didn’t realize that.

You're welcome.

Btw, did you guys ever heard of Thomas Durso? This guy was similar to Richard Cain, meaning he was also a corrupt cop and detective who operated under the auspices of the Chicago Outfit, although I personally dont think he was a made member but you can never tell with these guys?!

Durso had one associate who in turn was an Outfit guy and enforcer, known as Mike Gragano. It seems that besides fixing cases, beating people up or even murder, one of the prime rackets was the narcotics trade. Some sources say that the old Grand Avenue crew financed their dope deals mainly through Mad Sam DeStefano and possibly Chuck Nicoletti and Tony Spilotro. Story goes that the actual runners for Durso and Gargano were Tony Moschiano, John Generella, Pete Fabbri and Leonard Fiorenzo.

Besides that, records show that both Durso and Gargano were not much different from DeStefano, meaning these guys were also real psychos.

For example, along the way some kind of “bad blood” occurred between Durso and his prime dope dealer Tony Moschiano. So one day, Durso, Gargano and Leonard Fiorenzo went to Lupe's rooming house, where they were greeted by Lupe's landlady Nancy Bourne. They entered violently, and Gargano remained downstairs holding a pistol on Fiorenzo head and also a man who roomed in the building, while Durso and Mrs. Bourne went upstairs to Lupe's room. When Durso saw that the room was empty, he knocked Mrs. Bourne down, whereupon he drew a pistol and screamed at her to get up. The poor old woman said that she had recently broken her back and couldn't get up, whereupon Durso swore that he would break her back again and would blow her head off if she didn't get up. He then forced Mrs. Bourne downstairs and forced her to phone Moschiano and when someone answered the call, Durso grabbed the phone from Mrs. Bourne and told whoever was on the other side to have Moschiano on the street within ten minutes or someone would be hurt.

The person on the other side arranged for them to meet and so Durso sent for Gargano to get Moschiano. After their arrival, Moschiano and Fiorenzo were handcuffed together and taken from the Bourne home. After a dozen of kicks, cuts and cigarette burnings, both were released with the understanding that Moschiano was given a second chance.

The situation got worse when few days later both Fiorenzo and Moschiano were arrested by narcotics agents and were taken into custody. They were kept for six days until both of them broke and spilled the beans. So on January 21, 1964, shortly after Mochiano’s and Fiorenzo's release from custody, they contacted Durso and arranged a meeting at some local restaurant. An hour later, Durso only met with Fiorenzo, who in turn explained to him that he and Moschiano were arrested for some alleged petty theft and were confined for six days. Suddenly the temperature in the joint went very high when Fiorenzo also informed Durso about the alleged robbery of the hotel room where the narcotics were kept, while they were in custody. Strangely, Durso looked very calmed and told Fiorenzo to go and pick up Moschiano and later to stop by at Durso’s suburban home.

When the duo arrived at the place, they parked their car in the garage where they were greeted both by Durso and Gargano. During their conversation, Moschiano assured Durso that he still had the money, along with other money from sales of narcotics, which he would’ve deliver to him but the thing was that he, meaning Mosciano had the opportunity to make a kilogram sale of heroin and that he would make up for the missing money and missing narcotics from the proceeds of the previous sale. Durso stated that he was not going to fall for that and suddenly, fuelled by murderous rage, he pulled out a hunting knife and started stabbing Moschiano to death right there in the garage.

With his hands covered in blood, Durso turned to Fiorenzo, who by now was peeing in his pants, and told him "I want you to look at this. This is what happens to stool pigeons and people that short me." He then told Fiorenzo that he would give him the break of his life and let him go, and if anyone in the neighbourhood asked about Moschiano, he was to say that he did pick him up but that he dropped him off two or three blocks from the point where he had picked him up.

On February 2, 1964, both Durso and Gargano were arrested on charges for transporting and selling narcotics, but not for the murder of Moschiano since there was no body or any other evidence regarding the slaying. But more than two months later, Moschiano’s dead body popped up in the Des Plaines River, with his hands handcuffed, rags stuffed in his mouth, his throat cut from ear to ear, and with numerous stabbings in the stomach. Besides that, it was then when the feds caught a real break. In no time, both Durso and Gargano were taken to trial, and during the “show”, the defence was destroyed by the testimonies of Fiorenzo, including Mrs. Bourne. In the end, in November, 1964, both defendants were sentenced from 100 to 150 years in prison.

The Iceman killed between 5 and 6 people.

The so-called "Iceman" was a phony. He lied about many things, not the least of which was his alleged connection to mob guys.

Stefano used to put people in meat grinders while they were still alive? Is this true?

Im not sure but I think similar info came from Outfit associate and informer Charles Crimaldi, although I think he said that DeStefano was putting already dead victims through a meat grinder. On the other hand, most of DeStefanos victims were always found by the cops with signs of brutal torture, so I personally never came across a statement regarding some of DeStefanos victims being found in the form of minced meat, although you cannot be 100% sure.