Thats not important right now, on who started what or who said this...we are not in the 4th grade and we are not "fanboys". What is really important is to stop fighting and to use reliable info (not CC's charts with 50 people on it lol) and @NYM and @Mafia Student are doing the best they can to take us at least near the truth, something which is very hard to do and needs a lot of time. They are researchers, not workers or using people for their own projects. Show some respect, Instead of constantly attacking them and questioning their work like some detectives, say "thank you" or "looks great" and go on. You dont have to like everything, you just need to be polite sometimes. Right? So now say sorry to both Lisa and TOG and go on with your life. And if you ever have problems in deciding whats reliable and whats not, send your uncle Toodoped a private message and ask him. Good night and peace.