The DeCavalcantes are more then a crew not a medium family like Philly but for sure more than a crew.

Furio, support your position with facts and maybe you’ll convince me. I can be convinced. As of now they’re not more than a crew under the umbrella known as the Gambinos.

Boss: Charles Majuri, 83
Underboss: Unknown
Consigliere: Frank Nigro, 81

Members:

Philip Abramo, 78
Gaetano Alessi, 84
Daniel Annunziata, 84
Ciro Balzano, 60
James Castaldo, 68
Rosario Cocchiaro, 81
Domenico Colletti, 63
Giacomo Colletti
Louis Consalvo, 66
Carl Corsentino, 88
Nicholas Cottone, 81
Frank D’Amato, 75
Anthony Falzone
Paolo Farina, 97 – deceased?
Leonard Giacobbe, 68
Felice La Mela, 90 – deceased?
Nicholas LaMela
Anthony Mannarino, 75
Domenico Marzullo, 59
Michael Merlo
Luigi Oliveri, 50
Gregory Rago, 64
John Riggi Jnr, 69
Vincent Riggi, 72
Giuseppe Schifilliti, 85
Joseph Sclafani, 85
Charles Stango, 79
Gaetano Vastola, 95
James Gallo, 79

Furio posting a list of possible members which all but two are 60 or older hardly makes an argument this is an active family. Supports my position that in name and paper it’s a family, but in reality and activity it’s much less. I’m not convinced by this list.

I don't know what it is with these US family lists 80% is way over the retirement age.

Because the small families had a core of old made men and many more associates. Its the same for the Chicago Outfit.

Yes but I believe these lists are dated we are in 2023.

What it shows is that at a certain point is is right around the time that feds were hitting all the families with RICO, cases without mercy they stopped inducting new members some completely some still recruited by at a lower rate.

Also, they started going back to their roots and inducting older members.
Your not seeing really any guys in their 20’s being inducted anymore or their 30’s.

Lastly the feds do not have anywhere near the resources they had to develop informants, bring cases etc.

So without have any guys on the inside we don’t know what’s going on.

Think about this if it had not been for Giovanni and his under cover work the boards consensus on the board would they are completely defunct because there has not been any indictments so that means nothing is happening.

What was the last case before Stagno?

The Stagno indictment painted a different picture.

This list arent dated.

There are many old men in these families, but these lists are usually missing several people. Pennisi and others have already stated that there are many more people in these families. Unless Capeci or some reputable source has exposed them, anyone who was made in the last 10-15 years or so and hasn't been named in any indictment is not on these lists. The Bonannos have probably brought in close to 40 people in the past 10 years. I somehow doubt they are all old.

To be honest the last news we heard about the DeCavalcante's does not support the idea that they're a strong family: sloppily discussing a hit, dealing in child-sized quantities of narcotics... Stango even told an undercover agent that they are operating under the Gambinos now. No doubt there's still activity, but it looks like the actual juice is in NYC and Philly and if they're not already usurped by the other families, they do seem to be heading that way.

We never know what is going on if law enforcement is busy with other things.
The FBI and Dutch just busted a global cyber crime network there are other priorities in this world.

That's true, a bust usually shows the tip of the iceberg, but unless you're actively part of that life you're never really gonna know all that's going on. I just can't help but think; what's left for the Decavalcante's? In Newark there are crews from the NYC families operating that are - if you include associates - bigger than the Decavalcante's in their entirety. South Jersey has traditionally been more influenced by Philly. The Decavalcante's traditional power base is in Elizabeth. Can a family in this day and age survive on that alone?
I can imagine most aspirant mobsters in the area are gonna wanna join either one of the Five Families - which they regard as "Premier League" - before they're thinking of the Decavalcante's. On top of that I have heard talks about other East Coast families like New England and Philly that they've been rebuilding. I obviously don't know how much truth there is to that, but there's smoke in that regard. I just haven't heard the same about the Decavalcante's.

I do believe they're operating as a criminal enterprise as we speak, but when I do the math based on what I heard and read the vision of the future I have doesn't bode well for them.

the lack of indictments let to think this family is barely active, if not dead

I have a problem with that theory the reason is this:
For every one racket that gets busted there are 100 that go under the radar or are above and nobody cares.

Historically the family has flew under the radar they have not had any crazy mob wars that led to extensive shootings on the streets, they were never public enemy #1.

If Giovanni, would have never gotten those indictments we would know NOTHING about the family.

Guys would be saying they have no Admin.

Granted Stagno’s rackets weren’t major money making rackets.
Not every racket will be, there are a whole bunch of colombo and Gambino associates running around BensonHURST, buying their friends, families, associates whatever pain pill prescriptions for $20 a pill and flipping those pills for $30-$35 each:

You get a script for 100 you make $7.00 a pill you flip it one shot $700.00 every month.

You get a script for your self that’s all profit:
$2,000= Your Script
$700= Your family member
$700= Your friend
$700.= Friend of a friend.

That’s $4,100/M from just pills.
Every month consistent income.

Throw a little coke some weed.

My point is those low level rackets could start to add up.

If your an associate and trying establish yourself you want to have a book with money on the street.
Or if your a down on your luck guy with a button, you want to get your money out there working for you.

Every $1,000.00 you lend out you charge $40.00 a week.
$160.00/M

$10,000.00 = $1,600.00/M
$20,000.00 = $3,200.00/M

Again hustling some drugs and putting some money on the street.
Starts to add up pretty soon you are close to $10K Monthly coming in from “LOW LEVEL” rackets.

With no money out of pocket you can get a sheet with a bookie and you get a percentage of what all your people lose, Footballl season you have a dozen bettors that lose $8,000 for the week you just earned $1,600.00 for yourself.

The NFL playoffs
SuperBowl Sunday your bettors lose $50,000 you just made yourself $10,000.

Stagno was trying to put together a crew to work these types of low level rackets that do not take much of a cash outlay to get off the ground.

From what I read the son was a moron couldn’t get these off the ground he needed Giovanni, to get shit going.

From my point of view indictments are never really a complete indication of what's going on. There's lots and lots of stuff happening we're never gonna hear about.
Stango being caught saying they run under the Gambinos however is more of a telltale sign for me.

Before Stango indictment there was Jerry Balzano and Joseph Collina indictment for contraband and selling of cigarettes and rackets in 2011.

Agreed I bring that up because that is a consistent argument that is brought up here by some posters, there have not been any indictments.

That low level stuff I brought up I knows guys that have engaged in those types of rackets under the radar for 20+ Years, I think the feds know of most of them, they just don’t care if they cannot wrap it up into an indictment that the press will give attention to they have no interest.

Unless some idiot is going beat a guy down that owes home $1,000.00 and risk going to jail for 5 years and having to pay $20k in attorneys fees.

Stagno- I have heard many times over and over that the DeCalvs were under the Gambino’s, not aure exactly what that means:

Does that mean that after the DeCalvs, no longer had their seat on the commision they were represented by the Gambino Family on important matters regarding the other families.

Does that mean that the DeCalvs, seen what happened with Philly and the Westside that they chose to cus a deal with the Gambino’s for protection to keep the Philly Famiky, Luke’s and the Westside away from them?

If they are kicking up the Gambino’s there would have to be something to kick up?
I’m sure the Gambino’s aren’t providing protection for a $500.00 Envelope, that relationship could mean they have active rackets and money coming in to protect?
Why would they pay to protect nothing?

Balzano indictment wasn’t that on mafia take down day which again had they never of been dragged into that Gambino 127 mobster indictment that racket probably would have gone under the radar.

Again they got in trouble for getting out of their lane and getting in bed with the Gambino’s.

The "DeCavalcante Family,' since the days of Sam DeCavalcante himself, has always sort the counsel and support of Carlo Gambino, and by extension, the family he headed.

The way things are going, in today's underworld, I seriously doubt there's much left to oversee. That Family is currently on a respirator, as are several other East Coast crews.

And as far as Charlie Stango goes, I wouldn't put too much stock in what he had to say. He doesn't seem like the sharpest pencil in the box to begin with. Lol

Decav's, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh to name a few are probably all the same. Name and history only, nothing more than a street crime crew at most in my opinion.

Stango said the Sicilians run the family, I believe that's true there are still links to Ribera.

Ribera still has connections to Decavalcante family.

Nope. Pittsburgh and Cleveland have one made man each the DeCavalcantes many more. Maybe with the help of the sicilians the family could try to rebuilt the ranks but would remain a small but active family.

No.
Cleveland and Pittsburgh are unquestionably inactive as LCN entities.
NJ, no matter how diminished and subservient to larger families, is still active.

Instead of just making the statement they’re active provide your reasoning with facts. I’m sure they exist, I’m saying they aren’t active in any major way. Certainly not as an independent family. The members are either old and inactive or participating in low level street crimes for the most part. As far as the Ribera connection, that’s nothing more than blood relations and a good conversation piece. They’re not bringing guys over and making them, they’re not running any major operations with them it’s all in the past. The Elizabeth area is not and will never again contain an Italian neighborhood. Those days are gone. The family is on life support. There is nothing other than hope, and options that they are a viable family. A point I think that gets lost here is most of the power in this family was local, the local power is gone. The family is old and in a few years will be completely extinct or under the gambinos complete control it seems to me

Nothing like Cleveland and/or Pittsburg by the late 90’s those families were already in serious decline.
In the 90’s the Dacalvs had ALOT of money making rackets.

1) They were on Wallstreet
2) John Riggi still had control of a couple of unions.
3) They still had their Brooklyn crew
4) Vinnie Ocean had whatever he had going on.

They did all the above after they were under the Gambino’s.
They were under the Gambino’s officially since the late 80’s.

You are pointing to being under the Gambino’s as proof that they are extinct.
Just a smaller family being eaten up by a bigger family.
Same thing happened with Philly and the Genovese family.
Genovese moved in by force and had Bruno whacked, but that wasn’t because the family was dying it was the opposite the family had big money making rackets that the Genovese wanted.

Similar circumstance.

Lastly it is again a known fact and generally accepted that the DeCalvs are under the Gambino’s
If you want to dispute that then you have to prove it not the other way around.

We said they’re active, which they are. Period. No one said they’re some sorta top-tier criminal organization. We know they’re basically a crew, subservient to NY. The fact they’re not involved in anything “major” is absolutely irrelevant: you don’t need major scams to be considered “active”.

But it’s ridiculously wrong to put NJ on the same level of Cleveland/Pittsburgh: these two are not even “crews” because there are gone, defunct. Decades ago. Period.

This is obvious. So it’s your responsibility to provide evidence to prove something that goes against common and proven knowledge.

They won't be absorbed by the Gambinos or Genovese because a Family is recognized as a Family no matter how many members they have or how old and active they are. You'd think after how many year and how many Families going defunct you'd know better but I guess not.

Their connection to the Ribera Family still exists today and it doesn't matter if its just socially or through Family ties. It doesn't need to be some huge international criminal conspiracy. In 2015 the Charles Stango case revealed they still have their own administration. His comment about being under the Gambinos could mean a lot of things. It revealed during this time the Family was divided into two factions and in times of turmoil the Mafia has assigned another Family to oversee a Family until their problems have been worked out. Historically they were represented by the Genovese Family on the Commission and by the late 1980s it looked like their avuguad had switched to the Gambinos. The DeCavalcante Family and the Gambino Family's members who were from Agrigento have always been close. Charlie Mujuri is believed to be the Boss now and for those who don't know he is cousins with Liborio Bellomo. It's not known how close they are but this could change the dynamic in the Family and they could distance themselves from the Gambino Family.

Nice punt guys, can't provide any current facts so I have to prove a negative? The facts provided above are only about 30 years old. I dont dispute what the WERE, I dispute what they are TODAY. And It's really not possible to prove a negative but if you want to believe they're viable go ahead. I appreciate the comments but no one proved anything to show they aren't on life support.