Originally Posted by VitoCahill
were the stidda and sacra corona unita immediately recognized by la cosa nostra in sicily as separate distinct mafia families? or the nuova cammorra for that matter.
and official to whom...recognized by whom. the commission? please.it no longer functions as some overall governing body that sets down rules for the entirety of mafia groups in north america. it may serve this purpose currently for the remaining american families but not continent wide and hasnt for a very long time.
if? montagna was in contact with ny bonannos they gave him little help on that account and on trying to take over montreal.

and by yer reasoning the rizzuto crime family was that in 2012 at time of VITO RIZZUTOS release. V.R. was BOSS of said family with connections and equal status amongst both american families as u allege (bonanno,gambino) and toronto based 'ndrangheta groups. however there is no proof of who he met with amongst toronto based bonannos or gambinos. i know of none in 2012 operating in toronto. at least not members who could meet one on one with V.R. same can be said for 'ndrangheta groups. one on one with a commisso or carmine verduci perhaps one of the figliomenis for sure but we do not know.

in sept 2012 just before release an alliance was created t control drug trafficking amongst the rizzuto crime family,hells angels montreal chapter and gregory woolley allied street gangs. this alliance lasted until 2015.

so we are to believe that V.R. was BOSS of this family fully recognized by american mafia and 'ndrangheta with an existing alliance with local crime groups in montreal from 2012 to his death in dec 2013 but upon his death nobody recognized there strength,power and legitimacy since. absurd. if that was case why did HA and woolley continue to import distribute and make large amounts of money selling cocaine and other drugs on the streets of montreal with them?

why havent the bonannos,gambinos,'ndrangheta or anyone outside of quebec made a push to get rid of them and install a legit family. i was of the belief that the violis may have been behind some of it in the past. but there has been no valid proof of this. there also is no proof of who if anyone backed the scoppas in there attempt to overthrow the rizzutos. there has been claims of visits to toronto and meetings amongst the scoppas and 'ndrangheta in toronto but no names have ever come up. the same can be said for vittorio mirarchi. no proof to this day that he is a member of 'ndrangheta. none. he has only be described as a member of the montreal mafia.



Vito, take my advice here your dealing with a TROLL, here all he wants to do is argue with every and anyone.
I usually do not let myself get dragged into something like this but he made a JERKED OFF comment, I since BITCH-SLAPPED HIM, he admitted he was wrong in front of the Forum.

That is the best I think anyone is going to get out of him.

REMEMBER - TROLLS GET OFF WHEN YOU ARGUE BACK WITH THEM.
He has not been on here very long; my guess is that he WAS BANNED not too long ago waited a minute and started a new account.
He is doing his best to keep his TROLLING to a minimum, so nobody catches on.
He just is not able to totally control himself, from his mommy's basement.

I see a couple of posters are making the point I believe that there was a total collapse of the Rizzutto family, who was once the ALL MIGHTY, and we do not know what is left. AGREED.

My response was/is the most that we have is LE and Expert Opinions that we have traditionally accepted as fact.

You are one of most knowledgeable posters on here when it comes to Canada and your opinion is respected as far as I am concerned.

If we minus this JO out of the THREAD it was actually a pretty good one, alot of posters voicing their opinions, and disagreeing amicably.

After this post I am going to put 101 on the 'SHELF" by blocking him, anyone can do this through our own account, the result is when he posts something you will never see it.

So, moving forward I will never know what he has to say again I will never see it.
AND THATS THAT.


















Last edited by BensonHURST; 04/07/23 05:49 PM.