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Wayne Skip Dedina
That black child wasn't beaten for wandering into the neighborhood he was the offender in a violent strong arm robbery who was pointed out by the victim!
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Jeff Mcnally
Wayne Skip Dedina media sometimes spins things for there own agenda,I didn't remember all the details

Typing something isn't backing up what you said

Mafia the black child who was actually a punk got what they deserved. End of discussion.

looking for some insight on a hypothetical idea i have been pondering. while i mostly spend my time attempting to figure out the intricacies of the mafia in mtl, something always pulls me back to chicago. there is a clear line on this forum amongst chicago outfit aficianados and mob watchers in general. one side believes that much like all other mafia families in US the outfit is a shell of its former self and holds almost no influence or power in the city, with an old and diminishing membership. the other side believes there is still a fully functioning structured outfit operating, yet on a smaller less noticeable scale, with a younger group of members allegedly starting to emerge. i put myself somewhere in the middle, leaning closer to a viable, functioning outfit.

but to those that claim it is a shell of its former self...of course it would be. how could it not. the outfit in the 60's and 70's even into 1980's was the most powerful mafia group in the u.s. it is not that now obviously, so by that rationale it is not the same. but that does not mean it has not changed both structure and area of operations like any secretive organized crime group should.

so i digress from the above abe simpson like diatribe to my original thought. is it possible that the current chicago outfit circa 2023 going into 2024 still divides the city and suburbs geographically? my thought being is it divided by west north avenue/the 64 running from lake michigan/downtown chicago almost on a straight line west all the way out of the city and suburbs proper? other theories in the past have used the eisenhower expressway as this alleged division line. in this theory any territory north of the 64 would fall into control of an area now under control of street boss albert vena. territory south of the 64 falls under control of whomever now leads the other area...i.e. frank "toots" caruso or salvatore cataudella or an unknown senior member?

the only other possibility as i have stated previous is that no territories exist and it is open season on all potential rackets.

finally what do some think of the status of the remaining street crews. grand avenue, elmwood park, cicero, 26th street?
is there still 4 main crews operating in the city or has even this number decreased or consolidated into 2 now larger area street bosses?

my thoughts being...
street boss (north)
albert vena
controlling the remains of grand ave and elmwood park.

street boss (south)
frank caruso-only alleged
controlling remains of cicero and 26th st.

looking for any insight into all this from those in the know about the outfit currently. i am not looking for historical answers to these current questions. where or what territory some of these crews used to control is irrelevant to this discussion unless there is some proof or accuracy to the info from at least the 2000's. an example of this could be info concerning the former chicago hts. crew. i am of the opinion that the chicago hts crew no longer exists and has not for a long time. untila name comes along or a significant bust concerning some outfit connected crew emerges there has been no real outfit operations in the heights and area since the early 90's. i am not saying there is no crime in this area or any crimes connected to the outfit in this area, but as of now we do not know who they are or if the outfit even continues to hold sway in these areas.

as has been seen with some of the larger gambling busts lately it does not take an army of men to control a large scale gambling ring. the days of 20-30 man arrests for running a sportsbook are gone. most connected to the outfit lately involve a leader w a few agents taking bets, which are funneled through a costa rican based web server. this looks to be the standard M.O. across most mafia families recently. how many men were busted with carparelli for collecting debts? 7. one small group collecting money for one crew of outfit, not all the crews. all to say the vast pool of muscle and low level workers is not necessary in this day and age for the outfit or any mafia family really. we cannot be surprised if membership is smaller than in the past, there is no cause to have that many people working for you. less rackets and territory can only equal less members required.

I thought Rudy Fratto had Elmwood Park nowadays.

Rush already made a thread about this...

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1068141#Post1068141

i re read the albert vena thread, doesnt seem to have same content being discussed. this thread was started january 2023 with title 'state of the chicago outfit' so i think the question i posed here is on topic. none of the queeries i posted have been answered on the other thread about vena.

Then why dont you give us your own opinion, not the one which was created by previously posted opinions from other posters. Caruso is discussed and also allegedly being todays overall boss, including two other unknown names and also the EP/Grand crew. I just posted the thread so you can see the discussion...and I even answered your same post...but you obviously didnt saw shit

i did give an opinion/hypothesis above. i dont think my above theory is borrowed directly from any one poster. it contains ideas from others and is by no means completely original, but then again what idea ever really is...completely original. there has never been as far as i can tell the idea of chicago now being cut in two by north ave. this idea may be far fetched but not one i had seen or thought of before. also the idea that there is no set territories in chicago and its more open or every outfit member for himself is a question that has not yet been answered. only those in chicago would really know for sure, if they dont feel like giving out said info thats fine. same can be said for who the top 3 currently are. it is assumed to be...

BOSS
SALVATORE DELAURENTIS

STREET BOSS
ALBERT VENA

STREET BOSS
FRANK 'TOOTS' CARUSO

...as of sept 2023.

i did not mean for my post to anger anyone it was not made in jest or annoyance simply an honest question. i always value any and all criticisms, queeries and questions.