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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
[Re: Lou_Para]
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09/18/22 10:10 PM
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Throw in one for Marcello. Duly noted! The first vote for the New Orleans Family --- So here's the voting count so far; Chicago 2 Detroit 2 New Orleans 1
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 07:49 AM
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 09:07 AM
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Duly noted. We're up to; Chicago 2 Detroit 3 New Orleans 1
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 09:12 AM
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Big_Tuna93
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 09:20 AM
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Thank you BT93. Were' now at a tie between Chitown and Motor City at; Chicago 3 Detroit 3 New Orleans 1
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 12:15 PM
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I would say Detroit and the old Gagliano/Lucchese Family. New Orleans, much like The Bonannos are a "top down" Family. Meaning the power and wealth of the Family comes the boss in place. The perfect example of a "bottom up" Family is the Genovese, Chicago and Gambinos. The strength of the soldiers and crews allow a boss to sit atop a strong emipre, no matter what his credials are.
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 12:33 PM
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I would say Detroit and the old Gagliano/Lucchese Family. New Orleans, much like The Bonannos are a "top down" Family. Meaning the power and wealth of the Family comes the boss in place. The perfect example of a "bottom up" Family is the Genovese, Chicago and Gambinos. The strength of the soldiers and crews allow a boss to sit atop a strong emipre, no matter what his credials are. Hi Don Pep. Thats a reasonable outlook. So now the count is; Chicago 3 Detroit 4 New Orleans 1 Gagliano/Lucchese 1
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 02:06 PM
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Another excellent choice. So now we have; Chicago 3 Detroit 4 New Orleans 1 Gagliano/Lucchese 1 Bufalino 1
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 02:21 PM
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Due to the Casino skims and unions, among the other everyday money making schemes, I think Chicago was making money hand over fist.
Remember they had Murray Humphreys out there bribing all the politicians, that had to be expensive. They were making as much money if not more than the NY Families at their peak in my opinion, mainly due to the Vegas skimming.
As much as I would like to say Pittsburgh, I would say Chicago made the most money outside NY, by far.
But I do think Pittsburgh had much more money, influence and power than many other outside of NY families, just not the most. From the casino they owned in Cuba, to California, to Detroit, to NY. During the 1960 World Series, John LaRocca hosted a group of Outfit big shots in Pittsburgh and got them tickets, the FBI has photos of them together at the game(s).
*Honorable Mention* I think Trafficante may have had more money and power than given credit for because he had legit relationships with every single family in the country. I think he was getting a piece from many families who operated in Florida.
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 02:37 PM
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Due to the Casino skims and unions, among the other everyday money making schemes, I think Chicago was making money hand over fist.
Remember they had Murray Humphreys out there bribing all the politicians, that had to be expensive. They were making as much money if not more than the NY Families at their peak in my opinion, mainly due to the Vegas skimming.
As much as I would like to say Pittsburgh, I would say Chicago made the most money outside NY, by far.
But I do think Pittsburgh had much more money, influence and power than many other outside of NY families, just not the most. From the casino they owned in Cuba, to California, to Detroit, to NY. During the 1960 World Series, John LaRocca hosted a group of Outfit big shots in Pittsburgh and got them tickets, the FBI has photos of them together at the game(s).
*Honorable Mention* I think Trafficante may have had more money and power than given credit for because he had legit relationships with every single family in the country. I think he was getting a piece from many families who operated in Florida.
A logical answer Millspgh. So here's the count; Chicago 4 Detroit 4 New Orleans 1 Lucchese 1 Pittsburgh 1 Trafficante 1
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 04:27 PM
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Honest question, and please tell me if this off: Couldn't you make a pretty strong argument that at least throughout the 50's and 60's the outfit was on par with the most powerful families in NY? Even for all the flack Giancana gets for attracting too much attention, the dude was an absolute powerhouse that grew their influence throughout the entire world. Not to mention, Paul Ricca is, in my opinion, the most powerful boss that no one ever talks about. When Aiuppa became the front guy for the outfit is when I think they started slipping a little, as he wasn't nearly as saavy as his predecessors.
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 04:28 PM
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Due to the Casino skims and unions, among the other everyday money making schemes, I think Chicago was making money hand over fist.
Remember they had Murray Humphreys out there bribing all the politicians, that had to be expensive. They were making as much money if not more than the NY Families at their peak in my opinion, mainly due to the Vegas skimming.
As much as I would like to say Pittsburgh, I would say Chicago made the most money outside NY, by far.
But I do think Pittsburgh had much more money, influence and power than many other outside of NY families, just not the most. From the casino they owned in Cuba, to California, to Detroit, to NY. During the 1960 World Series, John LaRocca hosted a group of Outfit big shots in Pittsburgh and got them tickets, the FBI has photos of them together at the game(s).
*Honorable Mention* I think Trafficante may have had more money and power than given credit for because he had legit relationships with every single family in the country. I think he was getting a piece from many families who operated in Florida.
That part about the World series is really cool. I did not know that. Are those photos available online?
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
[Re: NYMafia]
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09/19/22 08:42 PM
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Due to the Casino skims and unions, among the other everyday money making schemes, I think Chicago was making money hand over fist.
Remember they had Murray Humphreys out there bribing all the politicians, that had to be expensive. They were making as much money if not more than the NY Families at their peak in my opinion, mainly due to the Vegas skimming.
As much as I would like to say Pittsburgh, I would say Chicago made the most money outside NY, by far.
But I do think Pittsburgh had much more money, influence and power than many other outside of NY families, just not the most. From the casino they owned in Cuba, to California, to Detroit, to NY. During the 1960 World Series, John LaRocca hosted a group of Outfit big shots in Pittsburgh and got them tickets, the FBI has photos of them together at the game(s).
*Honorable Mention* I think Trafficante may have had more money and power than given credit for because he had legit relationships with every single family in the country. I think he was getting a piece from many families who operated in Florida.
That part about the World series is really cool. I did not know that. Are those photos available online? I have not been able to find the photos but I have multiple files that reference this taking place.
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
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09/19/22 08:46 PM
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Honest question, and please tell me if this off: Couldn't you make a pretty strong argument that at least throughout the 50's and 60's the outfit was on par with the most powerful families in NY? Even for all the flack Giancana gets for attracting too much attention, the dude was an absolute powerhouse that grew their influence throughout the entire world. Not to mention, Paul Ricca is, in my opinion, the most powerful boss that no one ever talks about. When Aiuppa became the front guy for the outfit is when I think they started slipping a little, as he wasn't nearly as saavy as his predecessors. I agree with this 100%
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Re: A question for you. I'd like your opinions...
[Re: NYMafia]
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09/20/22 06:20 AM
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Honest question, and please tell me if this off: Couldn't you make a pretty strong argument that at least throughout the 50's and 60's the outfit was on par with the most powerful families in NY? Even for all the flack Giancana gets for attracting too much attention, the dude was an absolute powerhouse that grew their influence throughout the entire world. Not to mention, Paul Ricca is, in my opinion, the most powerful boss that no one ever talks about. When Aiuppa became the front guy for the outfit is when I think they started slipping a little, as he wasn't nearly as saavy as his predecessors. Absolutely. During their heyday "The Chicago Outfit" was a powerhouse! On par in rackets and influence with any crew in the USA. The Second City also became bigger after their rivalry with NYC.
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