What do they have you watching out there in Nebraska? This is all Republicans pushing this bill.

I guess he wasn't as smart as you thought.

The husband once said on Larry King Live (a couple of years ago) that the videoclips provided by the family are extremely misleading because in reality, Terri will lie there for hours and hours without moving a muscle or responding to anything. What we see (and now hear) are basically little gold nuggets of activity that were caught on tape.

I still cannot understand how, without the existence of a living will where Terri would've documented her wishes...the husband was allowed to have her feeding tube removed. I think this is really where the courts intervened...long before Congress & the President got into it. All we have is the word of Michael Schiavo and a few of HIS relatives, that she said she wouldn't want to live this way. I don't think it's enough to enable him to do what he's done.

Best,
Apple

[/qb][/QUOTE]I guess he wasn't as smart as you thought.

Well, you can't get 'em all right.

Apple this has all been litigated to death for five or six years now. The whole thing is insane.


The creeps who run this country (i.e. the right wingholes) are now calling themselves the "culture of life." Puleeeze. a hundred thousand dead Iraqis are "collateral damage" and Bush used to electrocute retarded people, innocent people and anyone else he could fry.

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Apple this has all been litigated to death for five or six years now. The whole thing is insane.
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Sure, it's insane. Thanks to Mr. Michael Schiavo. He could've given care of Terri to her parents and family years ago, preventing them from suffering a loss that they're obviously not ready to accept. But all the while, he's insisted that he's going forward '...for Terri...it's all about Terri'.

Well, if it's all about Terri, then I wish he'd stop plastering his face all over television complaining that the gov't is trampling all over HIS personal life.

Personally, I think it's all but over and Terri's feeding tube will not be re-inserted. Once she's gone, I only hope her husband can sleep nights and live with the suffering he's inflicted on HER family while supposedly doing '...what Terri wanted...'.

Best,
Apple

This is a non-issue.

Really, why it is that these days, one single issue dominates the 24/7 cable news networks?

Pathetic.

What do they have you watching out there in Nebraska? This is all Republicans pushing this bill. [/b][/quote]Don't forget Pat this is about a life that's an area where the republicans have always had a strong stance. :rolleyes:


One more thing don't badmouth nebraska.

I don't understand what anyone gets to say about this case when she has parents who are willing to take care of her in this situation. If it were up to me, I'd let go and move on. But if someone else wanted to take care of my hubby, they were welcomed to it.

"One more thing don't badmouth nebraska"

Oh why, because the "N" in Nebraska stands for Knowledge?

I mean thats what this one yokel from Nebraska told me once.

P.S. - Why did Nebraska fire that decent coach, only because he didn't win as much as Osbourne?

I mean damn...

Eek, tough decision, if she was on life support the decision would be incredibly easier, I'd say pull the plug. The fact that she's alive and just needs assistance in eating means that you would actively need to starve her to end this mess.

That's no life though and that situation is infact my worst nightmare. If anyone kept me in that state I'd seriously come back and haunt them.

You wouldn't let a dog suffer.

In Holland on my university we had also a discussion about this. (How interesting, we are Dutch and discussing a American issue)...but there were some good things about it.

First of all my opinion. If she wants to die...let her die.

But with this a whole lot of issues show up. "She wants to die if..."....she said this, but it isn't written on paper (What I know about it )...so who says she really wanted it...we can't find it out now.

Second problem: the doctors say she's brain dead...but is it? The family says that she reacts to several touches and light...so she isn't brain dead...

Third problem: Who is the one who eventually decides...is it her husband, her family, the Congress or the President...it's rediculous that you can't decide it on your own(but she really can't decide now, pratical seen)

Fouth problem: When this 'kill' is sustained, what will people do in the future? This one lasted for over 15 years, but in the future it will maybe decrease to 10 or even 5 or 2 years...

Fifth problem: She maybe once said that when this kind happens she wants to die...but imagine that she isn't braindead and accepts this new way of life. The new 'quality'of life is accepted in stead of the 'quality' she had before. She can't tell it ya....

Sixth problem: Everybody has the right to live...but do you automatically have the right to die when you want to? (If I'm correct suicide is illegal in the US, not sure about it)...the law doesn't say you have the right to die....

Seventh problem: In the future "help with suicide"(I can't come up with the right word, something like "euthanasy??????")is maybe legal...but what are the protocols and the boarders....and when do you pass these boarders...how do you make up these things...

I can tell you people...this is a very important case for the future...whatever and who decides...this will be an example for the next generation...I hope someone makes a very wise decision.

What do they have you watching out there in Nebraska? This is all Republicans pushing this bill. [/b][/quote]Don't forget Pat this is about a life that's an area where the republicans have always had a strong stance. :rolleyes:


One more thing don't badmouth nebraska. [/b][/quote]This isn't about a life. This is about a woman whose is all but dead, you know, that's why they call her brain dead. She has no sense of what is going on. Would you want to be kept alive in her state?

I'm not busting on Nebraska, so get over your mood swings. I'm being serious. Name a Democrat in the House or Senate who 'pushed' for this bill.

Michael Schiavo is now being painted as some kind of monster by the right wing media machine, however it is his testimony that he and Terri discussed this issue and that she would not have wanted to "live" this way. There was also some corroborative evidence to this effect. I think a part of the problem here is that the Schindlers were misled by a total quack, one Dr. Hammesfahr, who falsely claims he is up for the Nobel prize, and who slaimed he could "cure" Terri. In the State court trial a number ofqualified neurologists said Hammesfahr was way off base.

The lesson here people is to get living wills with explicit instructions about whether or not you want heroics done if you are in a persistent begetative state.

What does voting have to do with this? I don't care if they voted for or against it. Name a Democrat that stood beside Tom Delay and his reactionary pals that said, "THIS BILL MUST BE PASSED NOW!" Name one. Senator or Rep. Just one.

Partagas you are right but keep in mind that the demos did not put up a fight on this because they are all scared to death about attack ads in the next election that will call them "pro death." Until the democrats get their balls up and stop acting like Republicans Lite, this nonsense will continue. I am afraid it is going to take some kind of economoc catastrophe to get these Repukes out of power.

What does voting have to do with this? I don't care if they voted for or against it. Name a Democrat that stood beside Tom Delay and his reactionary pals that said, "THIS BILL MUST BE PASSED NOW!" Name one. Senator or Rep. Just one. [/b][/quote]Why? I did not dispute what you said. All I said was the Dems were to chickenshit to vote at all as most did not [/b][/quote]Most of them probably didn't want to waste their time when there's people starving to death and being gunned down.

I believe that this thread was started to ask people for their personal opinion on whether Terry should have her tube reinserted or not. I don't believe it was started to begin a debate on Democrats, Republicans or the state of Nebraska.

I think we all have to remember that this is about a young woman and her imminent death. I think that we all need to remember Terry and to pray for her and her family, whatever the outcome of the case. It's simply heartbreaking for a girl so young to be in this physical state. God bless her, and all those who have cared for her.

Most of them probably didn't want to waste their time when there's people starving to death and being gunned down. [/QB][/quote]Now because they did.nt waste their time there's one more person that is starving to death

Most of them probably didn't want to waste their time when there's people starving to death and being gunned down. [/b][/quote]Now because they did.nt waste their time there's one more person that is starving to death [/QB][/quote]That's what I was just thinking! Once the feeding tube is out, I read that it'll take her two weeks to die of starvation.

My 2 cents:

Terri Schiavo is brain-dead. The choice of life or death is now out of her hands, and should be in the hands of her husband, not her family. There is no hope for her. If you have to be hooked up to machines to remain alive, then you aren't meant to be alive, and that point can't be disputed. It's noble that her family is fighting so hard to keep her alive, but for what? The woman is suffering! They don't wanna let go. If you look at it from a psychological perspective, who would want to live in such a condition, given the choice? Those who say they would are most likely not telling the truth. No one enjoys suffering, and that is what this woman is doing. The choice should be left to her husband, and her husband wants to end her suffering, and let it go. That should be the end of it.

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BTW, the United States government getting involved in this is completely ludicrous. It's not their business!

This is the part of the equation I have trouble with. A husband over parents?

If my daughter was in this predicament, I wouldn't want the person who married her to make life or death decisions for her over the people that brought her into the world and cared for her most of her life.

I'm NOT saying that the parents are right in this case. Just simply stating that the fact that he is MARRIED to her should not automatically make him right in this case.

BRAVO!!!!!


I feel exactly the same way LDV! When you first look at it from a spouses point of veiw, it is very easy to think the way of a spouse. But then looking at my own children, as a parent, your whole way of thinking changes completely!

You have your facts twisted a bit here! She is NOT brain dead by any means! No doctor has ever declared her brain dead! She also is not hooked up to life support machines in order to stay alive, she can breath on her own. The facts that you stated above are totally wrong and therefore do not make for a valid arguement.


This is a really tough and heartbreaking situation for ALL involved.


Don Cardi

Indeed. Looks like Game, Set and Match unless Jeb Bush tries something crazy.

This whole case makes me think of what I'd do if it were my daughter in this situation. Like SB says, I can totally see the parents point of view. I just don't understand why the husband won't just give custody to the parents, who are willing to care for her.

At first anyway, I also sympathized with the husband, and could understand how he felt, but for some reason I am not so certain about his motives anymore, since the parents are willing to "let him off the hook" so to speak.

If it were my daughter, I couldn't and wouldn't agree to remove these feeding tubes. While it's true the parents may very well be holding on to false hope, on the other hand, only the parents may be the ones seeing signs of any kind of "life" from their daughter that no one else sees.

All that being said, and being against the removal of these feeding tubes, how cruel it is to literally starve someone to death. Most people wouldn't do that to their dogs. If they must kill her, why not give her an injection of some kind instead of putting her family through the agony and anguish of watching her slowly starve to death. This is truly a heart wrenching situation. I feel for the entire family.

TIS

This has become barbaric! Denying a person food and water!! Me, if I were down there, no question that I would be in jail! I'm totally disgusted! People should just pull together and storm the damn hospice that she is in! AGGGGHHHHH!


This topic should be RE-TITLED :

Should Teri Schiavo be Denied Food and Water!!!

Don Cardi