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Re: Secret Regimes
[Re: Lilo]
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04/04/08 06:23 PM
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1) How in the world did the Corleone enemies not notice a new group of "qualified" men coalescing around Rocco? Maybe this would have gotten past Tattaglia but shouldn't Barzini have been paying closer attention? He wasn't paying attention--he was too busy underestimating Michael. Where did all of these people come from? Trained killers have to get started somewhere. Also how was the Corleone hierarchy paying these men? "Regime" implies substantial numbers, but Rocco's secret regime needn't have been very big. Michael may have had him recruit a small number of reliable men to be kept in reserve "just in case" both caporegimes defected, or to do specialized jobs. As we saw, Rocco and someone else we hadn't seen before did the job on Tat and his hooker. 2) How did the political power translate into the crushing of the Corleone enemies? Could it be that Corleone judges or police revoked licenses to operate or ignored murder investigations?
Puzo and FFC were never specific about why Michael needed all of Vito's political contacts "wired into him" when he was planning to move the family westward. My guess is that Michael needed political protection to avoid being arrested or prosecuted in the aftermath of the Great Massacre, as well as to have them in place for his successor, Clemenza.
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Re: Secret Regimes
[Re: olivant]
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04/05/08 05:23 PM
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Well, it probably was small since there were only two other Corleone capos and those two capos could muster as many as 1,000 soldiers. As it turned out in the novel and the film, Rocco's regime wasn't used for much.
Per the novel Rocco's regime (along with Clemenza's) was "turned loose" on all of the infiltrators of the Corleone domains. More than a few people were dealt with. Also Michael had reduced the size of the Tessio and Clemenza regimes without rebuilding the Sonny crew. Neither the novel nor the movie describes the new size of the Corleone Family before the revealing of the Rocco regime, but it's much less than 1000 members. Tessio and Clemenza are concerned about losing everything, which strongly suggests they are in dire need of manpower. Why would Barzini notice anything? Again, as the novel points out, and as a deleted scene in the Saga illustrates, only Tom found out about Rocco's regime. How would anyone else find out? There's noting to indicate that anyone was "coalescing" around Rocco. I'll bet Rocco didn't place an ad in the newspaper.
It's a point worth considering IMO that the people who get ahead and stay ahead in such a business make a point out of noticing things like that. Barzini had at least Carlo and later Tessio on his side. He could have picked something up. But he just wasn't smart or suspicious enough. He should have listed all the "players" in the Corleone family and had some idea of their capacity. We know that in real life the Families watch each other quite closely for recruitment and ensure that relative sizes remain roughly the same. As I mentioned earlier, Rocco's crew was being trusted to plan and flawlessly execute a surprise attack that would in part re-establish Corleone hegemony in NY. The people who can do things like that either have done them before or are well known within the underworld to have the capacity to do things like that. There is not a "right" or "wrong" answer or even one answer to this IMO. The book and novel do not address it. But however many men Rocco had around him, whether it was ten or one hundred an intelligent opposition should have investigated it.
"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." Winter is Coming
Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die. As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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