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Mobsters SONS who turn rat. #1028559
01/21/22 03:51 AM
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Just read that gambino legend fat Andy Ruggiano's son turned informer. Ratting on gotti pal Pizzona (sp) in the bonnie & Clyde social club robbing psychos Uva's killings.

Think the son only ratted when his dad had passed away. If so, reminds me of gotti Jr who I don't think could/ would openly start co operating whilst his father was alive.

I know a good few other sons ( made/ associate) of high ranking guys have ratted as well. Let's make a little list

1. Scarpa son???? Is he a rat or a prison snitch? So long since read the book.
2. Depalma, gambino guy . Know his son tried killing himself, something to do with ratting and a letter he wrote or dad wrote.
3. Calabrese , Chicago guy. 2 actually, son and uncle.
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Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: dsd] #1028562
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Scarpa jr ratted on two terrorists and not on fellow mpbsters so he wasnt a rat.
Craig DePalma secretly ratted in a gran jury on DiLeonardo extortion after 2 years thecthing was discovered and his father was shelved and he went to prison after refused to testified,many believe that was killed and simulated a suicide.

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Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: dsd] #1028568
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Genovese;
Joseph Barone Jr.
Vincent Cafaro (father)
Joseph Valachi (son-in-law, bro-in-law)
Vincent Fyfe (V.Gigante nephew)
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Gambino;
Anthony Ruggiano Jr.
John Gotti Jr.
Craig DePalma
Michael DiLeonardo (bro-in-law, grandson)
Frank Fappiano (brother-in-law)
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Colombo;
Michael Franzese
John Franzese Jr.
Gregory Scarpa Sr. (father)
Gregory Scarpa Jr.
John Pate (brother)
Sebastiano Saracino (brother)
Carmine Sessa (brother)
Rocco Cagno (brother)
Joseph Cantalupo
William Cutolo Jr.
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Bonanno;
Joseph Massino (bro-in-law)
Salvatore Bonanno
Paul Cantarella
Richard Cantarella (nephew)
Joseph D'Amico (nephew, cousin)
Salvatore Vitale (bro-in-law)
Frank Lino (father)
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Lucchese;
Anthony Accetturo Sr (father)
Anthony Accetturo Jr
Frank Gioia Sr (father)
Frank Gioia Jr
Thomas Riccciardi (brother, cousin)
Al D'Arco (father)
Joseph D'Arco
Vincent Salanardi (son, cousin)
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DeCavalcante;
Anthony Rotondo
Vincent Palermo (son-in-law)
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Bufalino;
Joseph LaTorre
Steven LaTorre
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Philadelphia (Bruno);
Philip Leonetti (nephew)
Thomas Scafidi
Rocco Scafidi
Harry Riccobene
Gino Milano (brother)
Lawrence Merlino (brother, uncle)
Salvatore Grande (brother, father)
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San Jose (Cerrito);
Peter Misuraca
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Chicago (Accardo);
Nicholas Calabrese (brother)
Frank Calabrese Jr
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Detroit (Zerilli);
Nove Tocco
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New England (Patriarca);
Vincent Teresa (nephew)
Robert Luisi (father, brother)
Francis Salemme (brother)
James Flemmi
Steven Flemmi (2 brothers)
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Kansas City (Civella);
Joseph Gurera (nephew)
Joseph Crapisi
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There are more I'm certain. But this is just off the top of my head. (I listed others related as well as you can see; nephews, brothers, etc). All related one way or another.

Note: additional names have been added to this list with the help of Furio, Memphis, and of course dsd.





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Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: NYMafia] #1028570
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Isnt it more so alleged Harry Riccobene is a rat than it is stamped with concrete evidence that hes the rat?

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: dsd] #1028573
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Nove Tocco son of Paul Tocco,the only rat of Detroit Family.

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: furio_from_naples] #1028574
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Nove Tocco son of Paul Tocco,the only rat of Detroit Family.



another good call.

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: Kese] #1028575
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Originally Posted by Kese
Isnt it more so alleged Harry Riccobene is a rat than it is stamped with concrete evidence that hes the rat?



He was intact interviewed by the feds while in prison and talked pretty openly. So yeah, depending upon what you consider "opening up," I'd say he played the fence. The same could probably be said for Sam Mannarino.

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Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: dsd] #1028577
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Didnt Bill Bonanno talk.And the guy with the Real Estate office Joe Colombo used as an office.The son Cantalupo.Well and Wild Bill Cutolo's son a for sure snitch

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Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: MemphisMafia] #1028578
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Originally Posted by MemphisMafia
Didnt Bill Bonanno talk.And the guy with the Real Estate office Joe Colombo used as an office.The son Cantalupo.Well and Wild Bill Cutolo's son a for sure snitch


Yep, thats a couple more to put on the list.

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: dsd] #1028581
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According to the streets, Gregory Scarpa Jr. is a rat, regardless of who he told on. The rules are you don't tell on ANYBODY! If you don’t like what someone does or did, you handle it by your own means, OUTSIDE of the law and courts. Even Vito Genovese was said to whack guys for telling him about members breaking rules.

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: dsd] #1028582
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Bill Bonanno was a rat??? Is it because of his books?? As I think I've heard that levelled at his father. Bill Bonanno always struck me as the least Sicilian looking guy it's possible to be. Especially with his lineage.

@NY ,nice list but who are the Valachi relatives?

Anthony Rotondo should of become the lawyer his father wanted him to be. ( wiki).
His dad Jimmy was one of the only DeCav's who's regarded as a mob heavyweight.

Like I said, I bet a lot of the sons only ratted when the father was dead.

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: DillyDolly] #1028583
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
According to the streets, Gregory Scarpa Jr. is a rat, regardless of who he told on. The rules are you don't tell on ANYBODY! If you don’t like what someone does or did, you handle it by your own means, OUTSIDE of the law and courts. Even Vito Genovese was said to whack guys for telling him about members breaking rules.


Or Anastasia who ordered a civilian whacked for going on TV to say he phoned the police after spotting a wanted bank robber .Willie??? Schuster???
" I don't like stoolies" is the quote pinned on him.
Think guy was shot at subway entrance. Crazy. 1990s Colombo family type Crazy

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: dsd] #1028584
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Originally Posted by dsd
Bill Bonanno was a rat??? Is it because of his books?? As I think I've heard that levelled at his father. Bill Bonanno always struck me as the least Sicilian looking guy it's possible to be. Especially with his lineage.

@NY ,nice list but who are the Valachi relatives?

Anthony Rotondo should of become the lawyer his father wanted him to be. ( wiki).
His dad Jimmy was one of the only DeCav's who's regarded as a mob heavyweight.

Like I said, I bet a lot of the sons only ratted when the father was dead.


Joe Valachi married boss Gaetano Reina's daughter Mildred. His brother-in-law became Giacomo (Jack) Reina, a member.

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: dsd] #1028586
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Albert Anastasia having a civilian killed for snitching, whether he did or not, is a prime example of the anti-snitch culture we used to have. Snitches weren't coddled and cradled the way they are today, it was something to be ashamed of.

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Scarpa's son knew his father was a rat all along, and knew he was giving up their friends. so he qualifies as a rat all the way. I do agree with Furio that him giving info on the terrorists does not count.


Gotti Jr. does not belong on a list of rats. the story comes from Alite releasing what he said were papers passed along to him from the FBI.

Cafaro the father was obviously a rat, but is the son listed another son? I thought he had one son who stayed in the life, I could be mistaken.

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Bill Bonanno actually looks like Bill Gates but beefier. He doesn't look Sicilian at all to me.

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: jace] #1028649
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Originally Posted by jace
Scarpa's son knew his father was a rat all along, and knew he was giving up their friends. so he qualifies as a rat all the way. I do agree with Furio that him giving info on the terrorists does not count.


Gotti Jr. does not belong on a list of rats. the story comes from Alite releasing what he said were papers passed along to him from the FBI.

Cafaro the father was obviously a rat, but is the son listed another son? I thought he had one son who stayed in the life, I could be mistaken.


My mistake Jace. Tommy Cafaro was NOT a rat. His father Vinny was. Good catch.

Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: MemphisMafia] #1028706
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Originally Posted by MemphisMafia
Didnt Bill Bonanno talk.And the guy with the Real Estate office Joe Colombo used as an office.The son Cantalupo.Well and Wild Bill Cutolo's son a for sure snitch

Colombo's "legitimate" job was as a real estate agent for Sr. Cantalupo. After the shooting, a NYTimes reporter interviewed Cantalupo about his "employee." Cantalupo replied:: "Mr. Colombo is our best salesman. He has the sincerest group of clients--no one ever tries to cheat him out of a commission."


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Re: Mobsters SONS who turn rat. [Re: NYMafia] #1028728
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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Genovese;
Joseph Barone Jr.
Vincent Cafaro (father)
Joseph Valachi (son-in-law, bro-in-law)
Vincent Fyfe (V.Gigante nephew)
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Gambino;
Anthony Ruggiano Jr.
John Gotti Jr.
Craig DePalma
Michael DiLeonardo (bro-in-law, grandson)
Frank Fappiano (brother-in-law)
--
Colombo;
Michael Franzese
John Franzese Jr.
Gregory Scarpa Sr. (father)
Gregory Scarpa Jr.
John Pate (brother)
Sebastiano Saracino (brother)
Carmine Sessa (brother)
Rocco Cagno (brother)
Joseph Cantalupo
William Cutolo Jr.
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Bonanno;
Joseph Massino (bro-in-law)
Salvatore Bonanno
Paul Cantarella
Richard Cantarella (nephew)
Joseph D'Amico (nephew, cousin)
Salvatore Vitale (bro-in-law)
Frank Lino (father)
--
Lucchese;
Anthony Accetturo Sr (father)
Anthony Accetturo Jr
Frank Gioia Sr (father)
Frank Gioia Jr
Thomas Riccciardi (brother, cousin)
Al D'Arco (father)
Joseph D'Arco
Vincent Salanardi (son, cousin)
--
DeCavalcante;
Anthony Rotondo
Vincent Palermo (son-in-law)
--
Bufalino;
Joseph LaTorre
Steven LaTorre
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Philadelphia (Bruno);
Philip Leonetti (nephew)
Thomas Scafidi
Rocco Scafidi
Harry Riccobene
Gino Milano (brother)
Lawrence Merlino (brother, uncle)
Salvatore Grande (brother, father)
--
San Jose (Cerrito);
Peter Misuraca
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Chicago (Accardo);
Nicholas Calabrese (brother)
Frank Calabrese Jr
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Detroit (Zerilli);
Nove Tocco
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New England (Patriarca);
Vincent Teresa (nephew)
Robert Luisi (father, brother)
Francis Salemme (brother)
James Flemmi
Steven Flemmi (2 brothers)
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Kansas City (Civella);
Joseph Gurera (nephew)
Joseph Crapisi
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There are more I'm certain. But this is just off the top of my head. (I listed others related as well as you can see; nephews, brothers, etc). All related one way or another.

Note: additional names have been added to this list with the help of Furio, Memphis, and of course dsd.




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