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Who currently head up the Five Families? #1024815
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December 2, 2021. We're headed into a brand new year within days. My question to everyone is, who currently heads up the Five Families, and for that matter, who heads up New Jersey's DeCavalcante crew?

Boss
Underboss
Consigliere

for each?

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024817
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Such a rat post lol. Nothing you do surprises me at this point. I can't wait for you tell these people who answer you that they're wrong and that you know first hand the names of the guys who fill up these positions lol

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024819
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LOL. There you are! I was wondering under what rock or in what sewer you were hiding in. I gotta say that it's been so nice and "quiet" and "civil' on this forum since you, Colonel Reb, and Louie haven't been posting. But alas your back. Nothing good lasts forever I guess.

Now I will proceed to completely ignore your future posts and only interact with others who act civil as Lisa and I do. Bye-Bye

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Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024820
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As I stated up top in my original post, if anyone had an opinion on the subject I posted, please contribute.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024826
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I didn't think there was a lot of ambiguity around this these days. Seems like Barney is pretty solid with the West Side and Mikey Nose is coming up on a decade's tenure so they're both pretty entrenched. DeSantis/Dellorusso are newer but seem to be solid in the top two spots for the Lukes.

Only with the Gambino's and Colombo's is there, I think, a degree of uncertainty. It seems to have been assumed that Mannino is the new number one for the Gambino's although I know there has been some debate that Cefalu is playing a bigger role there than is perhaps let on. Gambinos are quite fascinating there, maybe the most fascinating family these days, because it seems a lot less clear than it used to be who's running the place. For all we know it could even be a panel.

Colombo's are a total shit show and quite frankly, who cares?

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: eastsideofvan] #1024828
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Originally Posted by eastsideofvan
I didn't think there was a lot of ambiguity around this these days. Seems like Barney is pretty solid with the West Side and Mikey Nose is coming up on a decade's tenure so they're both pretty entrenched. DeSantis/Dellorusso are newer but seem to be solid in the top two spots for the Lukes.

Only with the Gambino's and Colombo's is there, I think, a degree of uncertainty. It seems to have been assumed that Mannino is the new number one for the Gambino's although I know there has been some debate that Cefalu is playing a bigger role there than is perhaps let on. Gambinos are quite fascinating there, maybe the most fascinating family these days, because it seems a lot less clear than it used to be who's running the place. For all we know it could even be a panel.

Colombo's are a total shit show and quite frankly, who cares?



I have to agree with your assessment. Nothing is certain (of course), but the Gambino's are very interesting because of that "Sicilian faction" dynamic that seems to have garnered strength and "position" over the last decade or two.

As for the rest, it's a sliding and slippery slope at best at the helm of each of these crews. The West Side being a possible exception although over the years, despite their "Rolls Royce" moniker, they too have also been whacked hard. Bosses, UB's, Consiglieres, capos, etc etc. Its a never ending "rolling" indictment.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024839
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I think cosa nostra is now more loosely affiliated, the pyramid with a boss at top is a thing of the past.


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Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024840
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How come we only point out their failures and not their successes. Before Francesco Cali was killed by that looneybird, he had only ever served but a couple years at most in his entire Mafia career. Liborio Bellomo has been free and running the Genovese Family for almost a decade and a half now. Colombo soldier Nicholas Rizzo wasn't ever arrested until he was in his 80s. I think jackasses like Gotti, Scarfo, Amuso, Casso, and Persico are still fresh on everyone's minds, but keep in mind that those guys hung themselves. You don't even need RICO for guys like that, it's like shooting ducks in a pond.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024842
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Hollander I think the Families are more or less run by commitees, it confuses the hell out of law enforcement.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: DillyDolly] #1024843
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Hollander I think the Families are more or less run by commitees, it confuses the hell out of law enforcement.


I agree it also means less politics and powerplays.


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Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024844
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BONANNO
BOSS-MICHAEL MANCUSO
UB-JOHN SPIRITO SR./THOMAS DEFIORE
SB-JOHN PALAZZOLO
CONS-after it was revealed during cammarano trial that this position had become a musical chair who really knows?last known was john zancocchio(shelved).

COLOMBO
AB-WILLIAM RUSSO/SALVATORE CASTAGNO
-after the arrest of entire admin would be my only 2 guesses maybe ralph lombardo,joel cacace.

GAMBINO
BOSS-DOMENICO CEFALU
UB-LORENZO MANNINO
CONS-MICHAEL PARADISO
-would be the ny family with the closest allies in sicily.

GENOVESE
BOSS-LIBORIO BELLOMO
UB-ERNEST MUSCARELLA
SB-MICHAEL RAGUSA
-these 3 would be decision makers not sure if family uses the consigliere position has several senior members:dominick cirillo,daniel leo,charles tuzzo.

LUCCHESE
AB-MICHAEL DESANTIS
UB-PATRICK DELLORUSSO
CONS-ANDREW DESIMONE

DECAVALCANTE
BOSS-CHARLES MAJURI
UB-PHILIP ABRAMO/LOUIS CONSALVO
CONS-FRANK NIGRO/JOSEPH MIRANDA

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024856
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My bet is that Johnny Joe runs the Bonannos. He's probably the UB (officially) but where he goes the family goes. The same situation is probably happening with Lorenzo and the Gambinos. These titles are beginning to mean less and less


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Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024858
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I think Vito's list above is likely the most comprehensive and accurate; as far as anyone not in that life could possible know.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: VitoCahill] #1024908
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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
BONANNO
BOSS-MICHAEL MANCUSO
UB-JOHN SPIRITO SR./THOMAS DEFIORE
SB-JOHN PALAZZOLO
CONS-after it was revealed during cammarano trial that this position had become a musical chair who really knows?last known was john zancocchio(shelved).

COLOMBO
AB-WILLIAM RUSSO/SALVATORE CASTAGNO
-after the arrest of entire admin would be my only 2 guesses maybe ralph lombardo,joel cacace.

GAMBINO
BOSS-DOMENICO CEFALU
UB-LORENZO MANNINO
CONS-MICHAEL PARADISO
-would be the ny family with the closest allies in sicily.

GENOVESE
BOSS-LIBORIO BELLOMO
UB-ERNEST MUSCARELLA
SB-MICHAEL RAGUSA
-these 3 would be decision makers not sure if family uses the consigliere position has several senior members:dominick cirillo,daniel leo,charles tuzzo.

LUCCHESE
AB-MICHAEL DESANTIS
UB-PATRICK DELLORUSSO
CONS-ANDREW DESIMONE

DECAVALCANTE
BOSS-CHARLES MAJURI
UB-PHILIP ABRAMO/LOUIS CONSALVO
CONS-FRANK NIGRO/JOSEPH MIRANDA


Who heads up the New Jersey crew in each of the Five Families?

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: Njein] #1024924
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Originally Posted by Njein
Originally Posted by VitoCahill
BONANNO
BOSS-MICHAEL MANCUSO
UB-JOHN SPIRITO SR./THOMAS DEFIORE
SB-JOHN PALAZZOLO
CONS-after it was revealed during cammarano trial that this position had become a musical chair who really knows?last known was john zancocchio(shelved).

COLOMBO
AB-WILLIAM RUSSO/SALVATORE CASTAGNO
-after the arrest of entire admin would be my only 2 guesses maybe ralph lombardo,joel cacace.

GAMBINO
BOSS-DOMENICO CEFALU
UB-LORENZO MANNINO
CONS-MICHAEL PARADISO
-would be the ny family with the closest allies in sicily.

GENOVESE
BOSS-LIBORIO BELLOMO
UB-ERNEST MUSCARELLA
SB-MICHAEL RAGUSA
-these 3 would be decision makers not sure if family uses the consigliere position has several senior members:dominick cirillo,daniel leo,charles tuzzo.

LUCCHESE
AB-MICHAEL DESANTIS
UB-PATRICK DELLORUSSO
CONS-ANDREW DESIMONE

DECAVALCANTE
BOSS-CHARLES MAJURI
UB-PHILIP ABRAMO/LOUIS CONSALVO
CONS-FRANK NIGRO/JOSEPH MIRANDA


Who heads up the New Jersey crew in each of the Five Families?


Thanks to Pogo the Clown from BH forum.

Genovese

Joseph "Joe D" Dente Jr
Stephen “Beech” DePiro
Silvio DeVita

Gambino

Vincent “Jimmy Balls” Beltempo
Louis “Bo” Filippelli - New Jersey and Queens

Bonanno

Louis "Big/Fat/Louie the Leg-Breaker" Civello Sr

Lucchese

George "Georgie Neck" Zappola/Joseph R. Perna (Acting)

Colombo

??????

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024925
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If John Palazzolo remains the Bonanno acting boss it's possible he's the official underboss too. Mancuso made Cammarano the official underboss after the family elected him acting boss in 2015, so it's possible Palazzolo also holds the two positions (or if he has been replaced then whoever currently holds the acting boss title - maybe someone like John Spirito). Vincent Badalamenti is possibly consigliere. As LCNBios pointed out, it seems as though Mancuso loyalists recognised Badalamenti as consigliere while Cammarano's guys recognised Zancocchio. A source from Brooklyn told Gang Land that Badalamenti had recently been made "number three" in 2009. Joe Bosch told Peter Lovaglio that Badalamenti was the consigliere, though there's obviously the whole musical consiglieri thing going on during the past 10 years.

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Silvio DeVita the Genovese member wasn't he born in Sicily?


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Originally Posted by Hollander
Silvio DeVita the Genovese member wasn't he born in Sicily?


Yes,sicilian born and took the Boiardo crew after the ritchie boiardo retirement.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: chin_gigante] #1024930
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why would the bonannos need an acting boss?
mancuso,palazzolo,spirito sr.,defiore,badalamenti are all on the street.

and i know theres a thread on this but what has become of cammarano,the grimaldis and zancocchio after being shelved?
for an AB/UB to be shelved along with his closest allies has no precedent among the families to my knowledge.

i can still see a time where conflict will again arise in ny/nj. as has been mentioned many times not enough rackets to go around and too many chasing it.
amongst the bonannos and lucchese there already has been flare ups b/ the families recently.

love east sides comment on colombos by the way...indeed who cares the colombos will be absorbed by the other families soon.
the families "leadership" is too old and insular.
for the colombos to survive in any independent way they need to shed the persico influence.

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Silvio DeVita passed away I believe.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024932
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The Colombo crew will NEVER be absorbed by anyone. Neither will any of the other four. There are way too many guys on both sides of the aisle who oppose such moves. Its been a false narrative for decades already. By that measure the DeCavalcante crew should have been absorbed. But they still exist, hobbling along. The same will be for Colombo, Bonanno, Lucchese, down the line IMO.

Genovese and Gambino are large flagship crews that have a deeper bench. But don't kid yourself, the other three are proud crews in their own right who will not acquiesce or be subservient.

This is NYC. Not Denver, CO; Springfield, IL; New Orleans, LA; Pittsburgh, PA: etc. The overall membership (although not even close to the caliber of member IMO from years ago), is still very large by comparison to ANY other crew in the country. The Five Families will remain intact, however hobbled they are.

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Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024933
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There is no proof either way about the decavs.
Some say they r a family with 50-60 guys...doubtful others that they r now a crew reporting to the gambinos more likely.
My guesses to their admin were just that I doubt they even have a traditional admin in place.
Since the stango bust no solid intell has come forward or about who the leaders might be.

Also the members of the Marcello family,Pitts Mafia and any other since defunct family may have thought the same years before there respective families ceased to exist. The New Orleans/Marcello family was one of the oldest and well established Mafia groups controlling a vast territory with connections and influence throughout the u.s. and they r gone. The Marcello's by far for a time had more power than the Colombos ever did and through nepotism and neglect they have gone the way of the condor for close to 20 yrs now...with all due respect never say never.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: NYMafia] #1024934
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According to this article/map the DeCavalcante have roughly 100 people.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/u...ain=40999&Number=1022209#Post1022209

Originally Posted by Paolo Borrometi for AGI
Another important area for the Cosa Nostra is that in Elizabeth, the county seat of Union County in New Jersey. Here we find the “strong family” of the De Cavalcante, with a hundred affiliates and an important contiguity with the Gambinos.


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Sir, while I see your point, I tend to disagree. New Orleans is extremely short on supply of true authentic Mafiosi, they never replenished their ranks and that’s why they're extinct now. NYC on the other hand is a whole other animal, true blue Italian gangsters still flock there from places like Sicily, Naples, and Calabria. This is why I say that the 5 Families will always be here, and if you think that those lists name everyone you're sadly mistaken, LCN still has hidden people. The Mafia is just too entrenched on the East Coast. When mobsters come to America from Italy, where do you think they go? New Orleans? Nope. They go to cities where LCN is deeply entrenched. Once Carlos Marcello was gone, it was over for those guys. New Orleans wasn't making any new members, however in NYC they're still making guys. I wouldn't be surprised if the Colombos are having a ceremony right now.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
why would the bonannos need an acting boss?
mancuso,palazzolo,spirito sr.,defiore,badalamenti are all on the street.


Mancuso is still on supervised release restrictions which would limit his ability to run the family on a daily basis

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: chin_gigante] #1024937
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didnt know mancuso was still on supervised release. when does that expire?
so bonannos likely being run by a panel consisting of those 3 or 4 mentioned.

and the colombos are likely conducting a ceremony...which is being recorded by an informant or an off broadway show tune singer?

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: LuanKuci] #1024938
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Originally Posted by LuanKuci
According to this article/map the DeCavalcante have roughly 100 people.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/u...ain=40999&Number=1022209#Post1022209

Originally Posted by Paolo Borrometi for AGI
Another important area for the Cosa Nostra is that in Elizabeth, the county seat of Union County in New Jersey. Here we find the “strong family” of the De Cavalcante, with a hundred affiliates and an important contiguity with the Gambinos.


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I read in an article that Decav had 50 made men and 40 associates,in the picture the philly mob is called Merlino family but had 40-45 made men.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: VitoCahill] #1024939
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I have to agree with you, in pretty much any mob meeting these days there's at least one guy wired-up.

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: VitoCahill] #1024940
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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
There is no proof either way about the decavs.
Some say they r a family with 50-60 guys...doubtful others that they r now a crew reporting to the gambinos more likely.
My guesses to their admin were just that I doubt they even have a traditional admin in place.
Since the stango bust no solid intell has come forward or about who the leaders might be.

Also the members of the Marcello family,Pitts Mafia and any other since defunct family may have thought the same years before there respective families ceased to exist. The New Orleans/Marcello family was one of the oldest and well established Mafia groups controlling a vast territory with connections and influence throughout the u.s. and they r gone. The Marcello's by far for a time had more power than the Colombos ever did and through nepotism and neglect they have gone the way of the condor for close to 20 yrs now...with all due respect never say never.


Absolutely never say never. Let the man said, "if you can imagine it, then it could happen."

But all things considered, NYC is a totally different beast than the rest of the country. Even the Chicago mob, who in their time were powerhouses, is nearly kaput. NYC is different (just my opinion).

Re: Who currently head up the Five Families? [Re: furio_from_naples] #1024941
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
Originally Posted by LuanKuci
According to this article/map the DeCavalcante have roughly 100 people.

http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/u...ain=40999&Number=1022209#Post1022209

Originally Posted by Paolo Borrometi for AGI
Another important area for the Cosa Nostra is that in Elizabeth, the county seat of Union County in New Jersey. Here we find the “strong family” of the De Cavalcante, with a hundred affiliates and an important contiguity with the Gambinos.


[Linked Image]


I read in an article that Decav had 50 made men and 40 associates,in the picture the philly mob is called Merlino family but had 40-45 made men.


NO way! Even in their heyday of the 1950s-1960s under Sam the Plumber and Riggi they only had maybe 40+ members (tops). I don't think they ever hit the 50 mark. Associates added on is something different. But members? No Furio

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