Mimi Scalo and another man did kill them, but the toilet flush is made up as is the torture part. Scalo had an argument with he two, and it turned into a fight. He later went after them with his partner and killed them shortly after the fight. It is unkown if he had an ok, but I sure his bosses would have given it. I think the question originally posed about putting your hands on made guy was meant regarding one member to another. Al D'arco claimed him and a friend hit and shoved Benny Mangano around before D'arco was made. I think if that were true, D'arco would have been dead shortly after if they he not go into hiding.