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What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? #1008433
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If you've been on YouTube the last few years there's been a surge in shows about guys who did time in prison, and informants making YouTube channels. Sammy Gravano being the most famous. You also have guys like John Alite, John Pennisi, Mike Franzese, Larry Mazza, and a few others.

Are there any rats out there you'd like to hear from to fill us in on some mafia history? If I had to pick one guy it would be Joseph Massino, he was involved in a lot of historical mafia events.

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I’d like to see Mark Rosetti make a show or something if he gets out that be cool there’s not much on the Boston war so I’d like to see someone who was in it talk about it

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Phil Leonetti would make for a fantastic YouTube channel.

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I'm surprised Valuetainment hasn't gotten Joe Massino yet. That's gotta be the biggest get out there now. Maybe Joey is asking for too huge of an envelope to appear. He'd have some good stories to tell and was the actual Boss of a Family. I can't believe he hasn't been seen since he testified. I thought for sure he'd be writing a book or something. Did he have that much $$$$ squirreled away?

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Joe Valachi lol

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: Goldy] #1008452
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Originally Posted by Goldy
I'm surprised Valuetainment hasn't gotten Joe Massino yet. That's gotta be the biggest get out there now. Maybe Joey is asking for too huge of an envelope to appear. He'd have some good stories to tell and was the actual Boss of a Family. I can't believe he hasn't been seen since he testified. I thought for sure he'd be writing a book or something. Did he have that much $$$$ squirreled away?



I agree, he'd probably be the biggest get and has the most stories. But I don't think it's going to happen, and if it did, he'd essentially take the money and be the least compelling listen possible.

Joe Massino really is a miserable, fat asshole. Aside from the mafia serial killers, he might be the most unlikeable LCN figure out there. He's gross. It feels like there's a big cancer in the room when he enters.

He buried Vinny B. to keep some property so he never had to work an honest day in his life. To have to admit to the world he's a murderer who flipped in order to keep his squirreled away cash is much different than someone like Pennisi, who felt wrongfully rejected by his crew, didn't make an ungodly amount of money, and wasn't facing jail time.

Joe took his money to run away from everyone who ever supported him so that he could waddle around some mcMansion in Oklahoma.

He's also very, very unhealthy. I saw him testify at trial, and it's hard for the guy to get out one gravely word without being out of breath or needing water. He muttered the shortest answers possible to get off the stand in his gross sweat pants and go back into a hole. He seemed miserable, on death's door, and unwilling to elaborate on any of his past life beyond direct questions.

If someone could actually get him to open up and write a book, I agree, he has the best stories. But I don't think it's going to happen. He made his decision, is probably close to dying, and wants to preserve what little dignity he has left.

Other mentions on who it would be nice to hear from:

Cafaro (is he alive?)

Wayne Grande

Joey Caves

Sebby Saracino

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008453
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I'd love to see Mikey Scars do a full interview. Very credible guy, doesn't seem to be self-promoting as much as the other guys.

Fat, arrogant, useless POS that he is I can't help but agree that Massino would not only be great to hear from but truth be told he might be the best to ever speak. He'd be one of the most current and the only real boss to ever flip (not counting Ralph Natale LOL)

Either one of these guys, if I heard they had posted a full interview I would literally drop whatever I was doing to hear it.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008454
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Yeah, Mikey Scars would be a good one to hear from in an extensive interview too. He seems like a sharp, well spoken guy. If they couldn't get Massino, why not Sal Vitale? They both seem like scum, but it would be interesting to hear what they have to say about those Bannano years at the top. I just can't believe those two guys in particular walked away from the life without scheming someway to get $$$$ out of it with a tell all book or tv deal or something.

Yeah, Massino looked like a beached whale in the photos they presented as evidence at his trial. I can't imagine he's in good shape today. At all.

How did you manage to witness Massino testifying at a trial, Sharpie?

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008455
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Fat Joey is a POS of epic proportions. He even copped a sneak on one of the three capo's before they got ambushed. A real punk move when you got a bunch of guys with guns ready to jump out and slaughter them.

Another guy with a story is Chicago Outfit squealer Nick Calabrese. He put in a ton of work, and his brother was one of the most deadly guys of his era.

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008461
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Originally Posted by GerryLang
Fat Joey is a POS of epic proportions. He even copped a sneak on one of the three capo's before they got ambushed. A real punk move when you got a bunch of guys with guns ready to jump out and slaughter them.

Another guy with a story is Chicago Outfit squealer Nick Calabrese. He put in a ton of work, and his brother was one of the most deadly guys of his era.


100 Percent on Nick Calabrese. The son has yapped alot of stuff but he wasn't there for really anything and Nick knew and pretty much witnessed it all. He seems like he like Massino has not been seen or heard from since and has no interest. I wonder if Frank Jr even has seen or heard from him?


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Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008462
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I think you'd see some of the older guys somewhat embarrassed about what they did. Even though they did it.

And I think some would like to forget about their cooperation. And just fade into oblivion

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Guys we haven't heard from like John pate, Carmine sessa, cookie durso, Joey massino

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Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Guys we haven't heard from like John pate, Carmine sessa, cookie durso, Joey massino


Sessa is someone I was thinking of when making this topic. He doesn't seem mentally stable though, I'm pretty sure he got in trouble while in the WPP for beating up his wife and son.

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Carmine was a dummy. Extremely ignorant guy. On all levels

Re: What informants (rats) would yo like to here from? [Re: GerryLang] #1008472
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From zero of them, let's hear from some stand-up guys.

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Massino would give the Definitive account of the Cosa Nostra in America over the last half of the 20th century, The Galante killing, The 3 Capos murders, The Vito Borelli murder where John Gotti pulled the trigger(so we can stop hearing the bullshit how he never personally killed anyone), The Pizza Connection, Wall Street infiltration in the 90s, The commission meeting in 2000, The Bonnie and Clyde murders,The George from Canada murder in 99, The New York Post rackets, the San Gennaro Feast rackets in the 90s and early 2000s etc etc

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Oh, I forgot all about Nick Calabrese. Great call Gerry. Yeah, that'd be my number one. He was around for a lot. Crazy all the shit he was involved with and the murders and he was basically making no kind of scratch. I'm pretty sure that Nick has been pretty openly visiting Chicago without a problem. Frank Jr. opened a pizza place in Arizona and I'm sure Nick has been around there too. I also think him and Jr. knew about a few stash spots they didn't tell the FEDS about when Sr. went away for life. I don't think anyone that's still around gives a shit he put Marcello away for Life as I think he's the only person with any rank that still around from that trial. I know Paul Schiro is still kicking it and trying to get a compassionate release, but the players are all gone. Wonder how much $$$ a guy like Marcello even left behind when he went away to begin with? Nick was doing all that time before he flipped and they were basically paying him 4K a month? That's not much to stop someone from squealing if they are facing life after that glove was found with his DNA match on it and the bullet in his arm.

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I would love to hear from any of the New Jersey guys. Especially the Lucchese guys like Tommy Ricciardi or Tumac Acceturo. I would love to hear the stories they could tell. Or John Tully. He was Irish, so obviously not made, but he was around the Campisis, who were with (i think) the Genovese Family. He agreed to testify, and got more time than some of the guys he was going to rat on. After he got out of prison he went to Austin, Texas and worked as a hot dog vendor. He actually ran for mayor there saying he was regularly harassed by Austin police.

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We'll never hear anything from the stand-up guys! They keep their mouths shut!



Originally Posted by DillyDolly
From zero of them, let's hear from some stand-up guys.

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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Massino would give the Definitive account of the Cosa Nostra in America over the last half of the 20th century, The Galante killing, The 3 Capos murders, The Vito Borelli murder where John Gotti pulled the trigger(so we can stop hearing the bullshit how he never personally killed anyone), The Pizza Connection, Wall Street infiltration in the 90s, The commission meeting in 2000, The Bonnie and Clyde murders,The George from Canada murder in 99, The New York Post rackets, the San Gennaro Feast rackets in the 90s and early 2000s etc etc

We're finally in agreement on something Louie. What if he starts a YouTube channel and makes a video saying that Roy DeMeo wasn't a Gallo crew member but started out under a Lucches associate? Will you just dismiss him as a dumb Youtuber who wouldn't know better than Ralph Scopo?

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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Massino would give the Definitive account of the Cosa Nostra in America over the last half of the 20th century, The Galante killing, The 3 Capos murders, The Vito Borelli murder where John Gotti pulled the trigger(so we can stop hearing the bullshit how he never personally killed anyone), The Pizza Connection, Wall Street infiltration in the 90s, The commission meeting in 2000, The Bonnie and Clyde murders,The George from Canada murder in 99, The New York Post rackets, the San Gennaro Feast rackets in the 90s and early 2000s etc etc

Just joking though. In all honesty my first question would be about the murder or Tommy Zummo, why it was done, and his take on the Bananas War in the 60s and go from there. Fat Boy will never do it. The Feds let him keep enough assets he won't have to do anything but grow old and die in some town in South Carolina.

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Fish Cafaro
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Originally Posted by Balaclava777
Fish Cafaro
Massino
Nick Calabrese

Fish is in his late 80s. It would be like Biden making a video. " Back in 1978 me and fat Tony had a beef with this guy corn pop and and ah forget it, gimme a break, come on, you know the thing man!"

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Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Originally Posted by Balaclava777
Fish Cafaro
Massino
Nick Calabrese

Fish is in his late 80s. It would be like Biden making a video. " Back in 1978 me and fat Tony had a beef with this guy corn pop and and ah forget it, gimme a break, come on, you know the thing man!"


Haha. Biden can’t remember what day is after Friday.. he’s to busy falling up the stairs to run the country and when he has a “press conference” Q cards and cheat sheets are his best friend, seriously the man needs a cheat sheet for his own tax plan and he had 48 years in Washington to prepare for this...what a fucking joke!

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Originally Posted by ColonelReb
Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Massino would give the Definitive account of the Cosa Nostra in America over the last half of the 20th century, The Galante killing, The 3 Capos murders, The Vito Borelli murder where John Gotti pulled the trigger(so we can stop hearing the bullshit how he never personally killed anyone), The Pizza Connection, Wall Street infiltration in the 90s, The commission meeting in 2000, The Bonnie and Clyde murders,The George from Canada murder in 99, The New York Post rackets, the San Gennaro Feast rackets in the 90s and early 2000s etc etc

Just joking though. In all honesty my first question would be about the murder or Tommy Zummo, why it was done, and his take on the Bananas War in the 60s and go from there. Fat Boy will never do it. The Feds let him keep enough assets he won't have to do anything but grow old and die in some town in South Carolina.


He got to keep a bunch of his apartment buildings and whatever cash he had stashed besides what they found in his basement which I’m sure was millions more than what he acknowledges, he was basically the boss from 81 or 82 to 2003(once he was imprisoned it was a lot tougher for him to get his full share of the rackets money)

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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7 mill is a lot of cash to turn over along with all those gold bars. You guys think he had more stash spots than that? How do you hide 7 mill? That's 70,000 bills to have up in the attic.Was it up in the walls or something?

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With wiseguys you never know where they have money stashed. If they already seized one stash I doubt he's going to reveal anymore.

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Originally Posted by Goldy
7 mill is a lot of cash to turn over along with all those gold bars. You guys think he had more stash spots than that? How do you hide 7 mill? That's 70,000 bills to have up in the attic.Was it up in the walls or something?


Fat man had all those gold bars the Feds took, and right afterwards gold shot up to record highs and been up ever since.

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