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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/11/21 11:58 AM
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Yeah the Rizzuto-Johnny Depp got me unguard.
And for the hells angels things, seem like scoppa is a little bit ashamed of the situation. Even saying that Rizzuto would probably turn over is grave right now.
Another thing I like in the book, is how they explain the difference between Vito Rizzuto and his father Nicolo Rizzuto. Vito was the perfect leader, like when he enter a room, everybody notice him, and want to shake is hand. And, he will always talk to you like you were is equal, even if youre a low time criminal. Always give respect to people.
Nicolo Rizzuto also is well respected. Is more like the really low profile gangster. Like old time. But the community respect him alot. Nicolo probably said that you most help the poor. And respect is the most important thing. He helped alot of people in need, poor people. Giving them money without wanting nothing in return (no favors). Niccolo said, Respect is more important than fear.
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/11/21 12:26 PM
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See that right there tells me that the Rizzutos didn't thrive for so long simply because Canada is soft on organized crime. They were criminal geniuses. If American dons could go back to those old-world values they'd last a lot longer. I think you have it a little backwards... The dons with the old-world values wouldn't want to be in America because of law enforcement scrutiny, they are savvy enough to realize that and stay in Canada where it's safer. If Vito was in America for his whole run he wouldn't have lasted as long. I still think Vito was brilliant as a boss but Canada really is waaaay softer on these guys than the U.S would be.
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/11/21 12:44 PM
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You're right, but a great mob boss is also a chameleon with the ability to adapt to his surroundings. Rizzuto would've had to have to adapt to his environment if he were to operate in America. Massino lasted almost a decade and a half as a mob boss in 21st Century America (let's forget about his downfall for a second, I'm making a point) Gigante lasted nearly 3 decades, Bellomo has lasted almost a decade and a half so far, Cali before he was killed by that retard had only ever spent like 8 months in prison in his entire criminal career. In 21st Century America with all of this high technology, that's extraordinary! Not every boss goes down as quickly as Gotti, Amuso, and Casso which, let's face it, they were inept, stupid as hell and hung themselves that's why they only lasted 5 years. Gotti, Amuso, and Casso would be poor examples to use, they didn't even try to they might as well have walked into the police station and turned themselves in. And even Rizzuto spent only a few years in an American prison for his role in 3 murders. Not every boss gets slammed with 100-year sentences like the Commission bosses my point is instead of making blanketed statements I think it's better to look at things on a case-by-case basis, not everything is black-and-white or clear-cut.
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/12/21 09:50 AM
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I was in Montreal, maybe six weeks prior to Ducarme being murdered, it was so messed when I went down there. I was asking around about a couple things, including MOM, even went to TriStar to do some MMA, be seen, etc. I couldn't get anyone to even really talk with me, or point me in the direction of anyone who could help. The strangest thing was the Algerians, which I have now found out are big in Toronto, had something to do with the Mosque (wahhabi), which I think is ISIS. Are the Asians big in Montreal, like Toronto and BC? Reason being, I knew a guys' who bro was BCB, like over 20 years ago, and that maybe they are the ones who actually killed Ducarme? Turned out that they are apparently big into Heroin via Rizzuto, I haven't been back to Montreal since, just because it was so strange!! https://globalnews.ca/news/4667198/who-are-the-big-circle-boys/
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/12/21 10:11 AM
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Yeah the Algerians are a factor now in Montreal and Laval.
The asians are known in Montreal for producing weed and frauds. And there always rumors about chinatown, but those are the same rumors about every chinatowns in the world lol.
And BCB or asian groups didn’t killed Ducarme. Right on, thanks! It was so fast moving and confusing, plus everything that happened since, it’s better to be safe then dead 💀 lol
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/12/21 12:14 PM
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Is this book available in English?? There is no English translation and so far there are no plans to produce one
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/12/21 12:31 PM
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Yes better be alive then dead.
But Montreal is really safe right now. Most people that get killed are people that were heavy in the drug game. Montreal is safer than others canadian cities that got many street gangs and biker wars, like toronto, calgary, winnipeg and others.
Right on, I really do love the city, I’ve been there for fights before, I was hoping to extend my stay and maybe of moved into the dorms at TrisStar. I knew guys, that did, distant memory lol Does it say anything about Hamilton or the HA 95 Nomads, was hearing a ton of stuff about them as well. Charlesbois killed himself in 2013, and Stadnik came back to Hamilton in 2014 at the end of that year. Shortly after that, the Red Devils in Hamilton, became the bigger club the Bacchus, since then, lots of mob killings, does Scoppa mention anything about either?
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/12/21 12:36 PM
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[quote=Blackmobs]Yes better be alive then dead.
But Montreal is really safe right now. Most people that get killed are people that were heavy in the drug game. Montreal is safer than others canadian cities that got many street gangs and biker wars, like toronto, calgary, winnipeg and others.
Right on, I really do love the city, I’ve been there for fights before, I was hoping to extend my stay and maybe of moved into the dorms at TrisStar. I knew guys, that did, distant memory lol Does it say anything about Hamilton or the HA 95 Nomads, was hearing a ton of stuff about them as well. Charlesbois killed himself in 2013, and Stadnik came back to Hamilton in 2014 at the end of that year. Shortly after that, the Red Devils in Hamilton, became the bigger club the Bacchus, since then, lots of mob killings, does Scoppa mention anything about either?[/ No Scoppa doesn’t mention the situation in Hamilton. The only things they mentioned in the book about ontario, is that Vito went to toronto first, to see if the ontario families had something to do about the murders of His family
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/13/21 12:19 AM
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Something I couldnt wrap my head around.....
Scoppa was said to be worth 20 million liquid. He didnt do any gambling operations that they mentioned in the book. Or really any other big rackets, he had a couple companies, I forget which ones right now. But he said he ONLY made 2 grand off of every kilo, yet hes described as one of, if not the biggest importers. This made very little sense to me, especially considering he was directly controlling street operations, so not just wholesaling.
What was your take on that?
Any stories on Ducarme Joseph you would like to share would be great...
I gotta find the articles, but there were some murders in Montreal, amongst street gangs that I believe were tied to some of Sal Scoppas old territory. I thought it coincidental that Greg Whooley was recently released. He was caught on wire wanting Sal Scoppa dead. I wondered if he wasnt consolidating territory, also if hes still close to Sollecito, and if the pact still holds.
Who do you think the Mafia people in Toronto are? Italy? That really threw me off....
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/13/21 09:59 AM
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Something I couldnt wrap my head around.....
Scoppa was said to be worth 20 million liquid. He didnt do any gambling operations that they mentioned in the book. Or really any other big rackets, he had a couple companies, I forget which ones right now. But he said he ONLY made 2 grand off of every kilo, yet hes described as one of, if not the biggest importers. This made very little sense to me, especially considering he was directly controlling street operations, so not just wholesaling.
What was your take on that?
Any stories on Ducarme Joseph you would like to share would be great...
I gotta find the articles, but there were some murders in Montreal, amongst street gangs that I believe were tied to some of Sal Scoppas old territory. I thought it coincidental that Greg Whooley was recently released. He was caught on wire wanting Sal Scoppa dead. I wondered if he wasnt consolidating territory, also if hes still close to Sollecito, and if the pact still holds.
Who do you think the Mafia people in Toronto are? Italy? That really threw me off.... Well everything he said about himself (scopoa) in the book, I tend not to believe everything. He’s the kind to minimise his involvment in some cases. So I guess, he wont say everything to felix. If the media say he was the biggest or one of the biggest drud dealer in Canada, he most of made more than what ws said in the book. For Ducarme, alot of rumorw were said in Montreal, specialy is old neigborhood saint-michel. I lived in saint-michel for about two years, and you heard alot bout him, before his death and after. Rumors about his previous wars, how his old crew were money makers but also some of the best killers in the city (I guess thats why he was so feared), and also rumors about who set him up. And the murder of Street gangs members and Scoppa is probably right. Two gangs members were killed (reds), and the two looked like they were involved with Scoppa. Probably members of his crew made of lebaneses, haitians and some italians. Look like they were all involved in the heroin drug trade. I wonder if Wooley had something to do with all that, since he was released probably days or weeks before
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Re: The Source -La Source
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02/13/21 10:39 AM
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Greg Woolley was in on the attempted murder of Raynald Desjardins with MOM Boucher, I think that’s what he was arrested for in 2015?
Both MOM and Gregory Woolley seem to at least in the past been loyal to Rizzuto, what does Rizzuto stand for now, the son, Leonardo and Sollecito? Prior, it was Vito or Niccolo.
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Re: The Source -La Source
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05/24/23 03:01 PM
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Is it true that Felix Seguin’s birthday is the same day Scoppa was killed: October 21? Yes. From La Source: Andrea Scoppa est mort le 21 octobre 2019, le jour de mon anniversaire, atteint d'une balle en plein visage. From the ICI Radio-Canada site ( https://ici.radio-canada.ca/ohdio/p...guin-hells-angels-mafia-enquete-quebecor): Né le 21 octobre 1977, Félix Séguin a entamé sa carrière ....
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Re: The Source -La Source
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05/24/23 03:13 PM
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Re: The Source -La Source
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05/24/23 03:26 PM
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Re: The Source -La Source
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05/24/23 11:52 PM
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Yeah Dixie that was a big take away from the book for me as well. All these guys are or were cut throats. Scoppa doesn't come off looking like a saint at all. Scoppa could be lumping murders on Sollecito out of spite and seeing if police take the bait. I guess the fact that Sollecito has yet to be arrested for any of the claimed murders he took part in, ordered etc. Could be telling. Obviously the police would have to investigate and verify, but nothing immediate has happened yet. No doubt! He showed so much hate for Steve you just can't take it all as 100% factual for sure. I'm not sure that the insinuation that Steve killed Giordano for the book as truth either. By that point he had many enemies and was muscle for the Rizzuto's as well so I wouldn't count out as that coming from the Desjardins side either. Scoppa had a lot to gain by seeing Steve go down for any murder if it was true. Also so far I definitely don't believe him and his brother didn't talk or have anything to do with each other like he claimed. They were making many power plays behind the scenes and I seriously doubt that both of them were not in on the same hit and I think they helped each other in spots. I'm back to the Rizzuto chapter so I'll add my other thoughts as I go along and remind myself what I wanted to talk about LOL
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Re: The Source -La Source
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05/25/23 01:03 PM
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Yeah Dixie that was a big take away from the book for me as well. All these guys are or were cut throats. Scoppa doesn't come off looking like a saint at all. Scoppa could be lumping murders on Sollecito out of spite and seeing if police take the bait. I guess the fact that Sollecito has yet to be arrested for any of the claimed murders he took part in, ordered etc. Could be telling. Obviously the police would have to investigate and verify, but nothing immediate has happened yet. No doubt! He showed so much hate for Steve you just can't take it all as 100% factual for sure. I'm not sure that the insinuation that Steve killed Giordano for the book as truth either. By that point he had many enemies and was muscle for the Rizzuto's as well so I wouldn't count out as that coming from the Desjardins side either. Scoppa had a lot to gain by seeing Steve go down for any murder if it was true. Also so far I definitely don't believe him and his brother didn't talk or have anything to do with each other like he claimed. They were making many power plays behind the scenes and I seriously doubt that both of them were not in on the same hit and I think they helped each other in spots. I'm back to the Rizzuto chapter so I'll add my other thoughts as I go along and remind myself what I wanted to talk about LOL They didn't insinuate Stefano Sollecito was behind Lorenzo Giordano's murder. This is what they said. "Who had killed him? Maybe Andrew had something to do with it; the police certainly suspected his brother Salvatore." Lorenzo Giordano's killer has been arrested and convicted already. Dominico Scarfo was arrested in 2019 and was convicted of Lorenzo Giordano's murder last year. He was arrested with Jonathan Massari Guy Dion and Marie Josee Viau and all of them have gone to trial and were convicted and sentenced to life except for Guy Dion. Guy Dion was acquitted and everyone else has appealed their convictions. Marie Josee Viau is out pending her new trial.
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Re: The Source -La Source
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05/29/23 03:20 PM
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Yeah Dixie that was a big take away from the book for me as well. All these guys are or were cut throats. Scoppa doesn't come off looking like a saint at all. Scoppa could be lumping murders on Sollecito out of spite and seeing if police take the bait. I guess the fact that Sollecito has yet to be arrested for any of the claimed murders he took part in, ordered etc. Could be telling. Obviously the police would have to investigate and verify, but nothing immediate has happened yet. No doubt! He showed so much hate for Steve you just can't take it all as 100% factual for sure. I'm not sure that the insinuation that Steve killed Giordano for the book as truth either. By that point he had many enemies and was muscle for the Rizzuto's as well so I wouldn't count out as that coming from the Desjardins side either. Scoppa had a lot to gain by seeing Steve go down for any murder if it was true. Also so far I definitely don't believe him and his brother didn't talk or have anything to do with each other like he claimed. They were making many power plays behind the scenes and I seriously doubt that both of them were not in on the same hit and I think they helped each other in spots. I'm back to the Rizzuto chapter so I'll add my other thoughts as I go along and remind myself what I wanted to talk about LOL They didn't insinuate Stefano Sollecito was behind Lorenzo Giordano's murder. This is what they said. "Who had killed him? Maybe Andrew had something to do with it; the police certainly suspected his brother Salvatore." Lorenzo Giordano's killer has been arrested and convicted already. Dominico Scarfo was arrested in 2019 and was convicted of Lorenzo Giordano's murder last year. He was arrested with Jonathan Massari Guy Dion and Marie Josee Viau and all of them have gone to trial and were convicted and sentenced to life except for Guy Dion. Guy Dion was acquitted and everyone else has appealed their convictions. Marie Josee Viau is out pending her new trial. Ahhh I totally forgot about that. I got to stay around and stay more current
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Re: The Source -La Source
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Y I was surprised to learn that it was Roger Valiquette that tried to kill Desjardins and not Montagna; but nevertheless Montagna's aggressiveness and move on the Rizzuto's turf, would probably had him killed anyway . Yea that was surprising for sure. I thought 100% Montagna would have been the one behind it. They definitely more cutthroat North of the border but I agree, eventually this goes South. Desjardins is as cagey as any of them and I think Montagna would have tried to give him up or turn on him eventually I agree he is cagey and cunning. The relationship between Montagna and Desjardins could of lasted if it weren't for Montagna's greed. He wanted to raises street taxes , keep most of the proceeds earned from the gambling book and more. That pissed a lot of people. Had he done his home work, he would of realized that the war against the Rizzuto's, was started by the drug dealers over money.
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