Originally Posted by Dob_Peppino


I'm not gonna proclaim to be an expert on the Hoffa situation. But to quote the Gambino underboss Neil Dellacroce (speaking generally of alot of people) " he doesn't understand Cosa Nostra". The Hoffa hit effected to many people for ANY Family to just decide they were gonna kill him. All due respect to Detroit (I respect the Organization) but if Albert Anastasia and John Gotti had to make up stories and alibis when they killed there Bosses, what makes you think, Detroit had the balls to whack Hoffa, without approval. The mob is ultimately about money and getting the most of a deal. Hoffa "going", had implications on the mob as a whole and had to be more beneficial then keeping him around.

I'll use this analogy, of course I know its not about Bonanno but I use this to explain Cosa Nostra politics. I often hear people who claim to understand Cosa Nostra make the statement "I don't know how he survived?". Its simple, because it was a powerplay and not the narrative we know. Do you really think someone could put a hit on 4 or 5 Bosses and Survive? Absolutely NOT. It was a powerplay to remove someone who stood in there way and it benefited enough people to play along. I use a theory called "Pattern Analysis". If you pay attention to the patterns of Cosa Nostra, you find the same reoccurring results and hardly any variations (this theory applies to everything). Theory: If you do this (cause), then one of these two or three thing are gonna happen (effect).

Long story short, with that being said, Hoffa was hit, it was approved by multiple Families, and I'd go a step further, moreso then Detroit acting alone, if they tried to protect Hoffa (theoretically speaking) and the order came down from New York, he would go! Period. Nobody (back in the day at least) os bigger than the Commission.

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Bingo!!....... excellent analysis Don Pep. You are 1000% correct IMO. Not only about this Hoffa issue that we are debating, but the 1960s situation with Joe Bonanno that led to his eventual expulsion from Cosa Nostra by alleging the "phony" allegation that he "planned" to whack out the Commission bosses Carlo Gambino and Tommy Lucchese.

It NEVER HAPPENED! Bonanno was very powerful at the time. They also (obviously) disliked him because he was a bit "heady," and they "created" the false narrative that he plotted their demise. It gained traction, and nobody was gonna challenge their assessment of the situation.

Over the last 50+ years this false Bonanno plot has snowballed to the point that its become gospel. But its bullshit!

Carl and Tommy used it to split the loyalty of his family after he put a bad taste in the rank and files mouth with his attempted ascension of his idiot son Bill as the new consigliere. And it grew from there. It was a series of slights and overreaching moves by Bonanno that made his contemporaries uncomfortable with his continued leadership. And Carlo the Fox, and his in-law through marriage Tommy Brown took advantage of the moment to unseat him.

My compliments on your deduction skills Don Pep.