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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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All the mob families, the bigger ones anyway, profited from child pornography and child prostitution. Hell, the Gambino Crime Family made a child pornographer a capo (Robert Di Bernardo) and inducted another child pornographer into the family (Roy De Meo).
If any one of us worked under, or with, someone who was contributing to the circulation of child abuse, the lowest of the low, we would disavow them and report them to the authorities.
Yet NYMafia persists with the masturbatory tributes to people like John Gotti who left the children of his civilian neighbor without a father by having him killed in a manner befitting a Saw movie.
And that's not even the worst part. The worst part is he acts like guys like John Gotti are somehow better than guys like Anthony Casso. Oh I see that Moe is starting in again on me. Lol... ok, round #2: I do not "glorify" John Gotti. I personally think he was very bad for "the life", and many people both in and out of the underworld in general. That said, I don't try and glorify these fellas in general. But I do call a spade a spade. There are members who are decent, there are members who are the worst of the worst. I do find certain bios I write very interesting and intriguing. I even find some of these guys to have been decent people. (remember I told you that I have had some friendships, etc). Yes, they broke laws. Yes, they schemed; bookmakers, numbers guys, shylocks, etc. Some of the more violent of these type guys I do find repugnant. But that is like anything else in life. "There is good, not so good, bad, very bad, and then there is a point of no return." People that are so bad that there is no making excuses for them or their behavior. I believe Casso to be one of those guys. You cannot compare a neighborhood bookie or numbers guy, to a serial killer like Casso. One brush does not paint a true picture on the canvas.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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Before I forgot, If they were so tough and feared CASSO was destroying the family and putting them all in jeopardy,instead of becoming rats and running to the feds, why didn't these so called stand up guys, do exactly what Gotti did, gather enough of the family together and take them out? Because in truth they don't give a rats ass about traditions, and aren't that tough. They ran like little girls to the FEDS for safety. So those who say CASSO forced them to turn rat I say BS. They were cowards and looking out for #1. So in essence they ALL contributed to the demise of the family. IMO It is very hard (near impossible) for one soldier, or even a few, to collaborate on "taking out" a boss. Thats what made Gotti so devastating. He did! It is not all that easy. And Casso was such a paranoid, delusional guy that he killed you on a whim. So he had the entire borgata cowered in fear. Funny, but killing 20-30 guys at the drop of a hat will do that to people. Even mob guys! I DO agree with you. Thats what should have happened. Or in the least, they should have gone "on the lam" into hiding, and just waited it out for him to get killed or pinched. But you gotta remember the atmosphere in NYC at the time. He was still the boss along with Amuso, so most guys just fell in line. And yes, the end result was that the Lucchese crew suffered badly from this mismanagement. Its 30 years later and they still haven't recovered. IMO they never will
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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For the record fellas, I don't agree with, nor do I "glorify" killings by mob guys. To me life is precious, and taking a life (any life) is very serious business indeed.
But I do think that if you are in that life, and you become a rat, then IMO you should get hit in the head! You knew the score beforehand and jumped in the pool to swim anyway. You get caught by police? Go do your time. Stand up like a man. Don't punk out and rat to save your own ass..... its called "honor" and by any normal standards most people would agree. NOBODY likes a rat, not even the FBI and prosecutors although they'll use him. --- But there is a huge difference between a bookmaker, policy guy, shylock, or card and dice game operator, and a guy who wantonly kills for a living. Or worse yet, kills for the "thrill" of it. That for me is serial killer shit.
OTB, Lotto, Pick-6, legalized marijuana, payday loans, places that sell liquor, porn sites, etc etc etc., are doing today what many street guys were arrested for years ago. They were labeled "racketeers" and "gangsters" because they operated outside of society's "norms" and accepted behavior. The Volstead Act that prohibited alcohol (a stupid law), the gambling laws (stupid laws), pornography being immoral (yet today its legal) etc etc......... I find absolutely nothing wrong with ANY of the previous mentioned activities.
And obviously the U.S. government feels the exact same way. In some cases it took many decades for them to admit it, but today most of what was once "illegal" is legal. In fact the G has even stepped in to make money off of it! Its called "hypocrisy"
But a Casso? or guys like him? They are degenerates, plain and simple. And IMO there is NO way to make that right.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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I agree that each of those you mentioned were far from "pillars of society." That said, there are many, many who are not killers, and have little to do with violence (believe it or not).
The guy who got hit with the golf club was "Jimmy Sinatra" Craparotta. He was not a civilian. And Avellino didn't order those murders. He "asked" permission, but ultimately only the boss or underboss can order that.
Furnari, Sessa, and Gravano, were all a bit twisted. And admittedly there are a lot off guys that are violent. Some depraved. But I dare say that the majority of street guys and racketeers don't have those traits. That is what has actually "ruined" the "game plan" so to speak. Violence, begets violence. And it often escalates.
History has proven that the guys who stuck to running their bookmaking and shy books (and other schemes) and stayed away from violence mostly died in their own beds. Many lived profitable and constructive lives believe it or not. They were largely accepted by their communities and were well liked. And their blood families benefited from their outlook on life. Whats the old adage? Those who live by the sword, die by the sword. That mostly true. Especially in the underworld.
The ones that we typically read about, the violent ones who had little regard for life, mostly ended up dead, in jail for life, or became rats to save their asses.
The smarter, savvier and more level-headed guys, those not prone to violence. They fared much better. Even law enforcement recognized that difference.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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According to Casso, it was Corallo who put Amuso in charge of the family. Because of his upcoming incarceration he wanted to name a successor and, after discussions within the family, named Amuso boss in late 1986. (In the Philip Carlo book, Casso later claims he was offered the boss spot but turned it down in favour of Amuso). Corallo then gave the order to kill Anthony Luongo because of rumours that he was planning to take over the family. Amuso, Casso, Bobby Amuso and Dom Carlucci lured Luongo to a house under the pretence of a meeting to discuss the recent attempt on Casso's life. Bobby Amuso then shot him.
D'Arco says that Amuso approached him in late October 1986 and told him he had been made the new boss (and that he had promoted Casso to captain of the old Furnari crew). According to D'Arco (who had been told this by Amuso and Casso), Luongo and Anthony DiLapi were part of a plot by Santoro to seize control of the family around the time that Santoro and Luongo were convicted. To prevent this, Luongo had to be killed. Amuso and Casso then lured Luongo to a house owned by a friend of Amuso's under the pretence of consulting with him about a dispute. Amuso then shot him and the body was buried somewhere in Canarsie.
According to William Oldham, it was up to Corallo to decide on his successor and he had to choose between the Bronx faction, the Brooklyn faction or the New Jersey crew. He settled on Amuso and Casso. In November 1986, he called the pair to a meeting and told Furnari to choose which one of them should become boss. Casso turned it down and it went to Amuso. Corallo and Santoro were not getting along at that point and Santoro wanted Luongo to become boss. Amuso and Casso decided to kill Luongo and ordered Santoro to lure him to a meeting at Dom Carlucci's home where he (Luongo) was killed. That phil Carlo book has a thousand lies in it. Along with all of his books. I would take what Casso said with a grain of salt. I liked the Oldham book. If Luongo was trying to seize power I doubt he would voluntarily go alone to a meeting with Vic and Gas in Brooklyn. I just don't believe Tony Ducks would promote Vic to be the Boss. I could be wrong, he could have had that much faith in Christy Tic. Remember Casso also claims to be made in 74. claims he was offered Capo in 1980, but turned it down and said it should go to Vic. Claimed he was offered Boss in 86 but turned it down and said it should go to Vic.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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12/17/20 01:18 PM
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According to Casso, it was Corallo who put Amuso in charge of the family. Because of his upcoming incarceration he wanted to name a successor and, after discussions within the family, named Amuso boss in late 1986. (In the Philip Carlo book, Casso later claims he was offered the boss spot but turned it down in favour of Amuso). Corallo then gave the order to kill Anthony Luongo because of rumours that he was planning to take over the family. Amuso, Casso, Bobby Amuso and Dom Carlucci lured Luongo to a house under the pretence of a meeting to discuss the recent attempt on Casso's life. Bobby Amuso then shot him.
D'Arco says that Amuso approached him in late October 1986 and told him he had been made the new boss (and that he had promoted Casso to captain of the old Furnari crew). According to D'Arco (who had been told this by Amuso and Casso), Luongo and Anthony DiLapi were part of a plot by Santoro to seize control of the family around the time that Santoro and Luongo were convicted. To prevent this, Luongo had to be killed. Amuso and Casso then lured Luongo to a house owned by a friend of Amuso's under the pretence of consulting with him about a dispute. Amuso then shot him and the body was buried somewhere in Canarsie.
According to William Oldham, it was up to Corallo to decide on his successor and he had to choose between the Bronx faction, the Brooklyn faction or the New Jersey crew. He settled on Amuso and Casso. In November 1986, he called the pair to a meeting and told Furnari to choose which one of them should become boss. Casso turned it down and it went to Amuso. Corallo and Santoro were not getting along at that point and Santoro wanted Luongo to become boss. Amuso and Casso decided to kill Luongo and ordered Santoro to lure him to a meeting at Dom Carlucci's home where he (Luongo) was killed. That phil Carlo book has a thousand lies in it. Along with all of his books. I would take what Casso said with a grain of salt. I liked the Oldham book. If Luongo was trying to seize power I doubt he would voluntarily go alone to a meeting with Vic and Gas in Brooklyn. I just don't believe Tony Ducks would promote Vic to be the Boss. I could be wrong, he could have had that much faith in Christy Tic. Remember Casso also claims to be made in 74. claims he was offered Capo in 1980, but turned it down and said it should go to Vic. Claimed he was offered Boss in 86 but turned it down and said it should go to Vic. Carlo's book was a fairy tale. End of story! .... very little truth. fiction. And you're right Colonel. Corallo NEVER gave Amuso and Casso the hierarchy. They stole it. And there was nobody who challenged them. It quickly turned bad and the was the beginning of the end.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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12/17/20 03:45 PM
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Casso is a POS; No one on earth is going to miss him: He’s rotting in hell hopefully...
Anyways; Wasn’t Anthony “Tumac†Accetturo a candidate for underboss at one point once Corallo had the gut feeling he was being sent away for life...
Buddy Luongo as boss and Tumac as underboss.
Tumac was close to Corallo.
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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12/17/20 09:51 PM
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I gotta ask you Tony, do you have a special dislike for me or something? Or are you related to Casso per se? Because I just explained my position and feelings on Casso. You seem like your very pumped up about defending Casso, or attempting to insult me. Why?
You've made how many webpages glorifying the lives of Mafia people, but somehow Casso is a special piece of shit? GTFO man come on. Go back to posting your pages, remember 99% of them were 100% pieces of shit, and stop pretending like one was worse than the others. Casso is a huge piece of shit but Im tired of him getting special fuck you treatment like he was different. Someone with your knowledge of the mafia should know that and be above shitposting trash talk about a guy who just died that we both know you only had the guts to say because he wasn't in front of you. Additionally, he is completely different from Manson. Manson had others do his dirty work, and on innocents. Casso only wacked people in the life, as far as I know, and he at least did it himself. Gaspipe was a piece of shit murdering rat but so were almost all of them.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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Corallo NEVER gave Amuso and Casso the hierarchy. They stole it. And there was nobody who challenged them. It quickly turned bad and the was the beginning of the end. you wouldn't know your ass from a hole in the ground ffs
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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The reason the G betrayed Casso was because during his 302's they realized that at some point some people are too ruthless and too cold to put on the stand.They stated he had no joy in his eyes just pure scheming do you also believe Epstein suicided? I mean since you believe the government??? Casso was betrayed because his testimony didnt line up with Sammy the Rat's, a guy who probably killed more people than shitpipe. Thats it. The government didnt want to have to let Gotti out.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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History has proven that the guys who stuck to running their bookmaking and shy books (and other schemes) and stayed away from violence mostly died in their own beds.
Tell that to Ruby Stein or Hal Smith. Oh wait you can't because they both got wacked.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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Was it Anthony Casso who ordered the murders of civilians Robert Kubecka and Daniel Barstow? No. I believe it was Salvatore Avellino who ordered it and delegated the work to Anthony Baratta. Thomas Ricciardi was a soldier in the New Jersey faction under Michael Taccetta. He beat a civilian to death with a golf club because they wanted a piece of his company. Casso's mentor, Chris Furnari, raped a 16 year old girl for fuck sake. These are all powerful guys in the one family and you're acting like Casso was some kind of anomaly or something.
A former consigliere of the Colombo Crime Family (Carmine Sessa) killed the girlfriend of another former consigliere of the same family (Alphonse Persico).
Sammy Gravano killed a kid.
They're not above killing civilians, women, children, feds like Everett Hatcher. And the only reason they don't "take pleasure in killing" now is because of increased surveillance that makes it borderline impossible to get away with it.
I don't doubt some of them are fun to be around and great guys to people they like but I don't see much of what that has to do with anything. Even the worst criminals in earth have some people who've liked them at one point or other - look at Ted Bundy.
And so what if they're "just a bookie". You don't get to be a part of the mafia unless you're willing to get your hands dirty. And they're all knowingly subordinate to people who commit much worse acts and are happy to play their part in the decay of society's fabric. a much nicer and more thorough response than I put together, A+
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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And yes, the end result was that the Lucchese crew suffered badly from this mismanagement. Its 30 years later and they still haven't recovered. IMO they never will
Well then Mr. Mafia expert why dont you tell us all which family is prospering under leadership they have had for the last 30 years?
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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I thought about this the other day.
Corallo chose him and Vic either because he knew he would get a bigger kick up in jail OR, he knew they would whack Luongo regardless. In truth, I believed they seized power. Corallo (from East Harlem) did NOT promote them. Christy Ticker did. They were not Corallo and Santoro's choice for boss. Buddy Luongo was. But they clipped Luongo and seized power. And Furnari backed their play with Corallo. I also don't believe Corallo picked them. I could be wrong. It's said Tony Ducks and Tom Mix had a beef during the Commission trial. He could have stuck it to Mix by tapping the Brooklyn faction but personally I think Tony would have gave it to the Long Island guys before the Brooklyn guys. Vic and Gas just whacked out or intimidated their strongest rivals and took over. the level of shittalking by keyboard warriors about Amuso being made boss....you know the same fucking Amuso who has been boss since what...87? Other than Jr. hes one of the longest serving bosses of all time. Tony Ducks picked a strong fucking boss and Casso was the strongest in his family so thats why he went to him first. This is why Gigante gave the Gotti hit to Casso and his team, because they were strong. The level of shit talking that you people do based on some fucking hack writer or some fucking rat is staggering. Meanwhile....half the other families bosses turned informant, and Amuso is still boss, and only Gaspipe ratted. Looks like your the biggest keyboard warrior here. WTF do you know? You overhear some gossip while blowing an associate under a desk in 92? Those 2 morons destroyed the family. Turned a once stable family into a war torn factional shit show.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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I think we need to keep in mind that we know Amuso and Casso were nuts now, after they've killed a bunch of people and messed up the family. But in the mid 80s Amuso was a capable worker, earner, captain for 5 years and came up under the consigliere, Christy Tick. Seems like a good choice for a boss.
I don't trust anything Casso said, but I don't think a guy who brags about burying someone alive or shooting someone 15 times would have any shame saying "they made Luongo the boss, we didn't like it, so we took him out". I agree on your second part, but on the trusting of Casso....Im no Casso fan, and there are clearly parts of his book that are lies, but in general, he doesn't come off any different to me than any of the other people deep in the life. People are talking about a mafia guy who went against some of the most badass motherfuckers to ever be in the mafia, and he didnt lose, and they think he is just talking shit and telling stories? That seems like a stretch to me. I guess its possible, I definitely got that sense when he talked about his wife etc and "reforming" but when it came to mafia stuff...he seemed very cold and matter of fact. He didnt seem like a liar to me, on those parts. Which parts did you think he was full of shit on?
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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Looks like your the biggest keyboard warrior here. WTF do you know? You overhear some gossip while blowing an associate under a desk in 92? Those 2 morons destroyed the family. Turned a once stable family into a war torn factional shit show.
You spouted a bunch of shit that goes against what the actual people involved have all said, but somehow you know? LOL every family had that problem and every family got destroyed around that time for a variety of reasons mostly involving rats and/or wires Again, Vic is the current longest serving boss of any family, that isnt stability?
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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I gotta ask you Tony, do you have a special dislike for me or something? Or are you related to Casso per se? Because I just explained my position and feelings on Casso. You seem like your very pumped up about defending Casso, or attempting to insult me. Why?
You've made how many webpages glorifying the lives of Mafia people, but somehow Casso is a special piece of shit? GTFO man come on. Go back to posting your pages, remember 99% of them were 100% pieces of shit, and stop pretending like one was worse than the others. Casso is a huge piece of shit but Im tired of him getting special fuck you treatment like he was different. Someone with your knowledge of the mafia should know that and be above shitposting trash talk about a guy who just died that we both know you only had the guts to say because he wasn't in front of you. Additionally, he is completely different from Manson. Manson had others do his dirty work, and on innocents. Casso only wacked people in the life, as far as I know, and he at least did it himself. Gaspipe was a piece of shit murdering rat but so were almost all of them. I don't make web pages princess. You sound like that pathetic internet poster that claimed to be the bastard son of Gaspipe. Who were you with? You part of Mike Franzese internet crew. Paying $5.99 a month to join doesn't make you a half a wiseguy buddy sorry.
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Re: Anthony Casso has died
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He wasnt neccessarily respected because he was brutal, that means the mob respected jeffrey domner. He was a big earner and he was actually smart. But yes, he was brutal and lacked compassion. Gaspipe is a fucking boss end of the fucking story. It's not wrong to kill people. Some people deserve to die. I wish I was born in the 1920s and in the right place, I'd be in the cosa nostra all the way.
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