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Mobsters Movie #191514
07/19/05 08:23 PM
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ive bought the movie Mobsters quite a while ago thinking it would be pretty good. although it isnt no goodfellas/godfather/or casino... it was a lil interesting.

now i just finished watching it again for like the hundtreth time and i noticed something. there are many story glyches in this movie and many events are not very politcally correct. now when maranzano (in the movie faranzano for who knows why) becomes boss of all bosses and says he is dividing it into five families. now if all the five heads he named were gonna be the bosses of the family, then why is luciano still part of the maranzano's family and they tell him he cant first degree kill him? is this a story glych or am i just very confused?

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also, tell me how do you all feel about this movie?

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07/19/05 09:12 PM
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Despite all the errors and mistakes, I thought it was pretty entertaining. It makes a great late-night movie if you're trying to go to sleep, or if there's nothing on. Worth renting, not really buying. I think it won 2 Razzies.

6.0/10



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Re: Mobsters Movie #191517
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I thought this movie was pretty mediocre overall. It took some liberties with the facts, but that wasn't a fatal flaw. The flaw was that the acting was unconvincing, and the story line dragged.
As to your question:
Luciano was a boss in Masseria's family. Maranzano flattered, cajoled and eventually tortured Luciano into betraying his boss. After Luciano arranged for Masseria's death, Maranzano divided the New York Mafia into five "regimes" and put a "caporegime" over each one. He rewarded Luciano by making him the caporegime over what had been Masseria's family. BUT...
...all these caporegimes were to report to one capo di tutti capi--Maranzano himself. They, and all the people under them, were to provide Maranzano with a monthly cash tribute. Most of them didn't want that arrangement. That's when Luciano arranged for Maranzano's assassination. After that, he was smart enough not to declare himself capo di tutti capi. Instead, he created the Commission, and all five families became independent entities, deciding common problems at Commission meetings.


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so wouldnt it be like five different captains of "crews" not "famillies" because theyre all in the same family?

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Now remember, this is a movie. Liberties might be taken not only with terminology but with facts, personages, and history. Keep that in mind. Mobsters was entertaining, but it was on the low end of accurately (if there is such a thing) relating what happened way back then. For one thing, it is unlikely that Capone would have been in on any incipient Commission meeting since he was wrapped up in his tax evasion trial and would be in federal prison within a year.


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For one thing, it is unlikely that Capone would have been in on any incipient Commission meeting since he was wrapped up in his tax evasion trial and would be in federal prison within a year.
According to Joe Bonanno in his autobiography, "A Man of Honor," Luciano invited Capone to sit on the Commission. He didn't say that Capone actually attended a Commission meeting, but it was possible. Maranzano was assassinated on September 10, 1931. Capone's last day of freedom was October 24, 1931, following his conviction in his tax evasion trial. So, it was possible that, if a Commission meeting were held between those two dates, Capone could have attended. But I doubt it.


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Originally posted by Turnbull:
I thought this movie was pretty mediocre overall. It took some liberties with the facts, but that wasn't a fatal flaw.
An entertaining movie at best. But as far as taking liberties with the facts, well they went a bit too far. Leave it to hollywood to make people think that Luciano was seeking revenge on Maranzano because Maranzano had mistreated Luciano's father and manhandled his mother. That kind of fact twisting is what bothered me most about the movie.


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07/20/05 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by Don Cardi:
Leave it to hollywood to make people think that Luciano was seeking revenge on Maranzano because Maranzano had mistreated Luciano's father and manhandled his mother. That kind of fact twisting is what bothered me most about the movie.


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Yeah, that was cheap sentimentalizing at its worst. Luciano had business reasons to whack Maranzano. And he may have known that Maranzano was planning to whack him.
Also, neither Luciano nor Lansky nor Siegel were anywhere near Maranzano when he was whacked. The hit, arranged by Lansky, was carried out by Samuel (Red) Levine and a gang of killers unknown to Maranzano.


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