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carlo's son #18490
10/15/04 06:43 AM
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Does carlo's son appear in Godfather part2 or part3? When connie comes to michael asking for money in part 2, he refers to her children... what happened to the son who was baptized at the end of part1?

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Both of Carlo & Connie's sons are seen in GFII, when Connie brings them into the house for her mother's wake. They appear to be around 12 and 9 years old, give or take a year.

Nothing really 'happened' to Michael, the younger son who we see being baptized in The Godfather...he's just a little boy and not really referred to in GFII other than when both Mama & Michael chastizes Connie for not seeing either of her children prior to asking her brother for favors.

I really don't know if her adult sons are seen in GFIII...though from all I've heard of that neverending opening party they are probably somewhere in the mix of guests roaming around. Unfortunately, their bastard cousin Vincent is given most of the spotlight there and throughout the movie.

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Hey, Apple, I was wondering why Michael the priest was calling Michael.."Michael Francis Rizzi" throughout the whole baptism sequence. But now I see he was speaking to Michael after all, but the baby was named after Michael (since Michael's middle name is Francis).


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Re: carlo's son #18493
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa:
Both of Carlo & Connie's sons are seen in GFII, when Connie brings them into the house for her mother's wake. They appear to be around 12 and 9 years old, give or take a year.

Nothing really 'happened' to Michael, the younger son who we see being baptized in The Godfather...he's just a little boy and not really referred to in GFII other than when both Mama & Michael chastizes Connie for not seeing either of her children prior to asking her brother for favors.

I really don't know if her adult sons are seen in GFIII...though from all I've heard of that neverending opening party they are probably somewhere in the mix of guests roaming around. Unfortunately, their bastard cousin Vincent is given most of the spotlight there and throughout the movie.

Apple
I was 12 when that was filmed, the little boy who played Michael was 4 at the time...as I recall his real name was actually Michael as well. VR.

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Meggie, during the baptism, the priest is actually addressing the baby. The godparents respond on behalf of the baby. The priest says to the baby, "Michael Frances Rizzi, do you reject satan..." and Michael Corleone, as the child's godfather, responds accordingly.

Among the Italians on the board, have you heard friends or family make any distinction between padrone and deo padre, the literal translation for "godfather."

I've heard deo padre used exclusively for the person designated as your godfather in the catholic church. I've heard padrone used as well. However I've also heard it used much as you would in the movie..."a term of respect, affection..." For example, "That's his padrone in Streets and San." I like it's relationship to the word patron.

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Re: carlo's son #18495
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Originally posted by The REAL Victor Rizzi:
I was 12 when that was filmed, the little boy who played Michael was 4 at the time...as I recall his real name was actually Michael as well. VR.
Are you talking about Mike's son Anthony? They named Mike's son Tony because the little kids name was Tony. They couldnt get him to respond to any name other than his own.


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No, not Michael's son Anthony, but Connie's younger son was also named Michael, after his uncle. -VR

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The older son is reffered to by Don Michael when he tells his sister Connie that the son "Victor" was in trouble with the law. I don't recall any reference being made to the younger son, Michael, by his name in GFII.


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Victor Rizzi- Michael in the baptism was played by Sophia Coppola. To my knowledge Mike Rizzi dissapears into the vaccous spaces between films, never to be heard from again.


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Originally posted by Don Sonny Corleone:
Victor Rizzi- Michael in the baptism was played by Sophia Coppola. To my knowledge Mike Rizzi dissapears into the vaccous spaces between films, never to be heard from again.
So far. Presumably since Connie is not exactly the world's best mother, he would get involved in crime like his brother Victor.

In any GF IV plotline, he would be a most logical choice for a character to contend for the ultimate control of the family - to challenge Vincent.

I believe this challenge would first come from either Frank or Santino Jr., Sonny's legitimate sons, who logically might try to usurp their half-brother from taking over control of the family.

But after the pecking order among the sons of Sonny is all sorted out, probably with a couple of them ending up dead, then Michael Francis (Rizzi) Corleone would be the logical successor to control of the family.

(I've stated several times - I think Connie would want no reminders of her abusive, traitor husband, and would have dropped "Rizzi" from her kids' names, and given them the Corleone name instead.)

The metaphor of the baptism, of Michael Corleone taking control in a brutal orgy of murders at the same time he is taking the baptismal vows for the innocent baby Michael Francis Rizzi, makes it absolutely logical that some day that innocent child would grow up and inherit that legacy of death himself - and perhaps become the instrument of it.


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We see vito attaching great importance to loyalty, friendship and family, whereas michael seeks brutal power and legitimacy at the cost of his family(which he tries to protect,in his own imagination). The next step in the degradation would only be someone who does not care as much about the family or its quest to attain legitimacy. Exactly what vincent was.Since we don't know as much about carlo's younger son, it is tough to judge whether he would have fit the slot just as well.


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