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Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151147
03/09/06 01:02 AM 03/09/06 01:02 AM
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My dad and I had a discussion on satire and The Wizard of Oz. He told me about a friend he once had that told him about different satirical events that occured within the novel/movie. This has nothing to do with my father's or my opinion on the novel/movie, I just want to see your reactions, thoughts, or ideas. Here they are:

-Dorothy and her trip to Emerald City symbolizes a feminist going to D.C. for sufferage.(Emerald City is the capital of Oz)
-Toto symbolizes the Teetotalers, or prohibitionists, of the time.
-The scarecrow without a brain symbolizes the farmers without an education.
-The lion without courage symbolizes Grover Cleveland.
-The Tin Man without a heart symbolizes the industry

There was a part he could not competely recall. Here it is:

In the novel, Dorothy wore silver slippers.

Silver slippers = silver
yellow brick road = gold
Oz = abbreviation of ounce

There also had something to do with the witches, but that is all I have.

I would love some feedback on this, it seems very interesting.

His whole life was a million to one shot
Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151148
03/09/06 02:17 AM 03/09/06 02:17 AM
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Can I get a quarter ounce of whatever you're smoking?


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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151149
03/09/06 08:48 AM 03/09/06 08:48 AM
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It's not really supposed to be satire, the theory is that The Wizard of Oz is supposed to be an alagory for populism. Here's a link that explains it further.

Personally, I think it's a bunch of crap, but then I really don't care for allegory to begin with.

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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151150
03/09/06 09:23 AM 03/09/06 09:23 AM
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The Wizard of Oz was purely make believe and imagination. It was written for amusement.
Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151151
03/09/06 06:48 PM 03/09/06 06:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by exgigirl:
The Wizard of Oz was purely make believe and imagination. It was written for amusement.
You could say that, but doesn't some of that make a little sense and too coincidental?

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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151152
03/09/06 07:05 PM 03/09/06 07:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by J Geoff:
Can I get a quarter ounce of whatever you're smoking?
Yeah, and then put on the movie with the Pink Floyd soundtrack.

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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151153
03/09/06 08:25 PM 03/09/06 08:25 PM
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Darkside of the Moon is the album you are thinking of.

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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151155
03/09/06 09:37 PM 03/09/06 09:37 PM
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Right here, but I'd rather be ...
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Quote:
Originally posted by exgigirl:
The Wizard of Oz was purely make believe and imagination. It was written for amusement.
Actually, wasn't the book to have some metaphorical link to Communism/Socialism? I haven't read it since I was a kid, but I remember hearing something of the sort of it at some point in the past few years, and looking back at it, it made sense.

"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151156
03/09/06 09:46 PM 03/09/06 09:46 PM
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Perhaps we should find out more about the author himself, how The Wonderful Wizard of Oz came to be, and what his intent for the story was.

http://www.literarytraveler.com/literary_articles/l_frank_baum.aspx

Apple

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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151157
03/09/06 11:04 PM 03/09/06 11:04 PM
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Does anybody remember a movie years ago about L. Frank Baum? I believe John Ritter played him. Called "The Dreamer of Oz" It's a bio about him. Great TV movie IMHO.

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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151158
03/09/06 11:36 PM 03/09/06 11:36 PM
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Yes, I do remember that movie, Mignon. It did star John Ritter and I believe Annette O'Toole played his wife. I too thought it was very well done.

Apple

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

- THOMAS JEFFERSON
Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151159
03/10/06 10:24 PM 03/10/06 10:24 PM
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Many people link The Wizard of Oz with the trials and tribulations of the Populist movement in the U.S. during the late 19th century.
Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151160
03/11/06 12:30 PM 03/11/06 12:30 PM
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...dot com bold typeface rhetoric.
You go clickety click and get your head split.
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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151161
03/11/06 12:33 PM 03/11/06 12:33 PM
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Some anonymous motel room.
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Some anonymous motel room.
I was considering posting that pic here too Capo. Now that would've been a great ending.

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Re: Satire and The Wizard of Oz #151162
03/14/06 03:17 AM 03/14/06 03:17 AM
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The two links were great, and the populism theory makes sense.

But what did the flying monkeys symbolize?

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