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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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01/22/05 08:33 AM
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Don Cardi
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Ronnie, The fact of the matter is that Michael Moore, of course being one sided, came out with a movie that exploited 9/11 and the events following that day. There were many misleading hslf truths in the movie, as Moore obviously took quite a few quotes and events totally out of context. Then of course when Farenhype 9/11 came out, it obviously was made to reveal the misleading half truths that Moore showed in his movie. So of course Farenhype 9/11 is going to look one sided also. Tell me something though, what is your take on the meaning of a neo-con? I am interested to know. Don Cardi
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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01/22/05 04:27 PM
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ronnierocketAGO
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"The fact of the matter is that Michael Moore, of course being one sided, came out with a movie that exploited 9/11 and the events following that day."
Then again, didn't FAHRENHYPE 9/11 *technically* exploit the same events as well?
In fact, could we argue that Spielberg exploitated the Holocaust with SCHINDLER'S LIST or Michael Bay took advantage of the situation with PEARL HARBOR(wait, we kick his ass for that friggin awful movie!) but Don Cardi, can't we also slam some politicians for using 9/11 for political purposes? What about them?
Anyway, I call many here Neo-Cons(whom I call exactly who here at BB.NET I won't reveal out of respect and just so I won't be an as*hole) that because those same who really get pissy when Moore's name gets mentioned.
I mean really I think Moore in private is a dick. However, I've heard such negative comments about many filmmakers. In fact, some of them are such that personally, they are easily despicable. However, I believe that the artist and the art that is made shouldn't be intertwined with each other in final judgment.
An example is Roman Polanski, who's a great director for many decades behind movies like CHINATOWN, ROSEMARY'S BABY, PIANOIST, etc. However, his legacy is absolutely shadowed by his infamous rape charge in the U.S. and which he fled the country to France so he could avoid criminal litigation. Still, hes a great Oscar-winning director.
Really, here is my question to some of you conservatives. Do you hate Moore's documentaries or do you just hate the man himself? Really, hating movies done by a filmmaker because of personal hatred at a filmmaker is really juvenile. Films/documentaries should be judged on the merit of their thyself.
Now back to the whole Neo-Con thing thats apparently hurt some of you emotionally, since I didn't know many of you are so soft like a Frank Lopez.
Many people, not all, but many that call themselves "conservative" are not the honorable conservatives that used to exist. I know because I was of such a kind long ago. However, the new conservatives are such that are more angry and ignorance where they confuse patriotism with nationalism, which in all of its forms has wrecked much more havoc than it should have upon mankind.
Some of you "conservatives" here at BB.NET are good people that don't ignore the truth for the sake of your political position. Those that do are "neo-conservatives". In other words, its a derogative.
P.S. - Hey neo-cons, look up Nationalism in the dictionary sometime.
P.S.S. - Anyway, enough of my pathetic pissy complaining about matters that I can't control in this world. Now back to my movies...
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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01/22/05 04:53 PM
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Patrick
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Originally posted by ronnierocketAGO: Really, here is my question to some of you conservatives. Do you hate Moore's documentaries or do you just hate the man himself? Really, hating movies done by a filmmaker because of personal hatred at a filmmaker is really juvenile. Films/documentaries should be judged on the merit of their thyself.
Ronnie--It's impossible for them to hate the movies he makes because they don't see the movies! They just criticize them! That's just the way they are. They claim to criticize Moore's movies because they're 'full of lies and that it has nothing to do with him being liberal.' Why don't they criticize some of Ann Coulter's books then? You know, since it has nothing to do with her political status. -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
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01/22/05 07:21 PM
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Capo de La Cosa Nostra
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A film to admire and see at least once, even if you do think Moore is a fat bastard who challenges what you "believe" in (and let's face it, people, that's the only reason you don't wanna watch it).
Anyway, I love this film. I admire it for its ambitions, the balls it carries with it, Moore's ferociously witty voice-over (which was what made Bowling For Columbine as ironically funny as it was) and the editing technique. Really, the way the editing of images are juxtaposed together in this is phenomenal, even if you don't agree with the film (but if you don't, you have no intention of seeing it anyway). Walking contradictions...
I'm recording it. Bowling For Columbine (2002) was shown on Channel 4 over 2003's Christmas period. That too, is a film to admire for technical audacity.
Mick
...dot com bold typeface rhetoric. You go clickety click and get your head split. 'The hell you look like on a message board Discussing whether or not the Brother is hardcore?
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