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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/01/05 03:24 PM
01/01/05 03:24 PM
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Perhaps I should, but I don't recall in my 4 years at Catholic School, discussing to any great extent, the Book of Revelation. I have read only exerpts from it, sometimes hear readings from it at mass, and scanned thru PLaw's link. I don't claim to be an authority, yet being a person of faith, I do find it interesting. However, doesn't it also say that this "anti-Christ will be followed and loved (at least at first) by multitudes of people???? Also, I know about the reference to the unrest in the Middle East, but does it actually say this Anti-Christ will be of Mid-Eastern decent or is a matter of interpretation? One last thing, is it so impossible to believe that one day this world we know would/could no longer exist? TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/01/05 05:11 PM
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I'm surprised this thread survived the immediate degredation from plawrence and SC. Putin wouldn't have beaten Muhammad Ali, no... but why do you think I have some obsession with the one thread I created in the sports forum?
There are several serious theories, from the Bible and scholars. Widely accepted is the idea that the third anti-Christ rise in Eastern Europe.
Stalin is not the third anti-Christ. The only characteristic that matches was that he's from Eastern Europe and he was an evil dictator. The time period was wrong, as there's a certain separation between the second and third. And, the third anti-Christ's rise and subsequent empire will result in war, WWIII. The Soviet Union collapsed with no world war. Stalin wasn't the anti-Christ.
Putin, Pat? Putin is an ex-KGB man. Look at all of the democracies he is taking away in Russia. He's slowly turning the country around, yes... into a dictatorship.
"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone
"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/02/05 01:29 AM
01/02/05 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante: Stalin is not the third anti-Christ. The only characteristic that matches was that he's from Eastern Europe and he was an evil dictator. The time period was wrong, as there's a certain separation between the second and third. And, the third anti-Christ's rise and subsequent empire will result in war, WWIII. The Soviet Union collapsed with no world war. Stalin wasn't the anti-Christ.
Putin, Pat? Putin is an ex-KGB man. Look at all of the democracies he is taking away in Russia. He's slowly turning the country around, yes... into a dictatorship. I'm glad that you know who is and who isn't the 3rd anti-Christ. Putin and Bush are very good friends and so what if Putin was a former KGB chief? Big deal. Just because he once thought one way doesn't mean he still does think that way. -Pat
"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/02/05 04:49 PM
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Haha yea I know nothing about the Koran, but I know alot about the bible, I will find the verse I was reffering to....sometime, one of my english teachers were showing me it awhile ago.
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/12/05 01:34 AM
01/12/05 01:34 AM
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Napoleon, an anticrist? Please, don't make me laugh. Napoleon was just a man consumed by ambition, and, reaching my own conclusions, he wasn't really evil. There were 8 coalitions formed against him, and at least 6 were started by the Austrians and the English. Those nations were constantly attacking him, and Napoleon, taking advantage of his genious, always broke up their attacks and was able to keep more territories under his rule, but this was merely the consequence of the constant provokation started by Austria and England. Now, his invasion of Spain was not really justified, and I admit it was caused by his desire to conquer that country without many reasons. As a matter of fact, he just felt like attacking Spain.
Now, he always thought Russia was a very important ally and as the Tsar was starting to dissolve their alliance by refusing to stay in the Continental System (Destroying English economy by blocking all the ports in Europe). He HAD to attack Russia as he could not face a coalition formed by the major powers in Europe AND Russia. He would have been overwhelmed, but by this invasion, he lost 500,000 men and temporarily, his crown.
Now, Napoleon at least had a cause, but he did not annihilate 8 million people for racial reasons. Napoleon can't be considered an antichrist. Those million people dead throughout the Napoleonic Wars were not really his fault directly. Better ask the Austrians, the Prussians, the English and the Russians.
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/12/05 06:56 AM
01/12/05 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra: Out of curiosity, can somebody define "Anti-Christ" for me?
Mick Don't you watch movies? Next thing I probably have to define for you is aliens. [sarcasm] Antichrist: n. 1. An enemy of Christ. 2. The epithet of the great antagonist who was expected by the early Church to set himself up against Christ in the last days before the Second Coming. 3. A false Christ. Except for number 2 definition, if you are a pretty strong religious person you can call whomever you don't like an antichrist. It might get serious after a little while
"Fire cannot kill a dragon." -Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/12/05 09:59 PM
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^ Weren't there supposed to be three antichrists? Napoleon and Hitler weren't anti-Christ, but they were antichrists. It's not like they needed to be against Jesus in fact they were both Christians, and I believe Hitler was pretty religious. But what they did in life was opposite of what Christ taught and on a grand scale.
"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone
"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/12/05 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante: ^ Weren't there supposed to be three antichrists? Napoleon and Hitler weren't anti-Christ, but they were antichrists. It's not like they needed to be against Jesus in fact they were both Christians, and I believe Hitler was pretty religious. But what they did in life was opposite of what Christ taught and on a grand scale. I actually never heard of it. The only time I heard them mentioned together was in the Nostrodamous documentory "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow." The Antichrist will supposedly come out of the European Union. A major part in this is the predictions of Albert Pike in the 1800's. "The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."
"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/13/05 12:11 AM
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That's an interesting thing you posted, but how can it be from the 1800's as he refers to "Nazism," since 'Nazi' was a term used for the National Socialist party of Germany in the 1930's.... I'm pretty sure there never was such a word before that, and plus as the Nazis were originally the German Workers Party, I'm almost certain the terms "Nazi" and "Nazism" were a product of the 1920's or 30's. So, until that if figured out, I can't really take anything else there very seriously, unless of course these were written in the 30's or later and you mis-typed the 1800's date. Or, lastly, I could be wrong about "Nazism" as a term.
"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone
"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/13/05 12:28 AM
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I've visited that site before... it's interesting, but... well, I don't know about it. The predictions must be pretty accurate, being as Nazi was slang for National Socialist, and since their name was decpetive as they were opposites of Socialists, Fascists, the specifics seem a little... hoaxy.
"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone
"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
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Re: Putin the 3rd anti-Christ?
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01/13/05 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by Michael/Corleone: Now, Napoleon at least had a cause, but he did not annihilate 8 million people for racial reasons. Napoleon can't be considered an antichrist. Those million people dead throughout the Napoleonic Wars were not really his fault directly. Better ask the Austrians, the Prussians, the English and the Russians. I hope you are not serious about this statement. No one can have "cause" to kill innocent people for any reason. If you send your army to invade any country and kill innocent people, their death IS your fault directly, and it is really an evil, what could be considered more evil than that? But it doesn't make person the exact antichrist, I agree. There were so many really terrible people in history - it would make too much antichrists. And Putin - come on. That's really a big laugh!
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