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THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
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07/08/23 11:36 AM
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At the height of the Mafia’s power and influence across the United States the FBI stated that among the many moneymaking rackets controlled by the mob, the majority of its rank-n-file membership and key associates engaged in all forms of gambling rackets.
That gambling was without a doubt the mob’s number one moneymaker. They ranked loan-sharking and narcotics as number two and three on the scale, respectively. The myriad of other rackets they operated ran behind those three accordingly.
But that was back then and this is now.
So, the question is…Nowadays, with the changing demographics over the last fifty years or so, how do those same three rackets rank today?
Between gambling, loansharking and narcotics. Which would you say the majority of organized crime figures engage in first and foremost? Rank them in order, according to which ones you believe are most prominent.
And for that matter, if you feel there is another racket thats more prominent today for their general membership, by all means mention it as well.
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
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07/08/23 03:17 PM
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When you say "best," I think not only about profit but about safety--the likelyhood that you'll be able to live and enjoy your profits. By that measure, gambling (and I include loansharking with gambling because the two go hand in hand) wins. Sure, drugs are fantastically profitable, but their very profitability attracts extreme competitiveness--and the extreme violence that goes with it. Drugs also attract the most law enforcement attention and results in the longest prison sentences--conviction of carrying hard narcotics with intent to sell is still life without parole in New York State. Gambling/loansharking is not without risks from ruthless competitor, but the overall risks are smaller because gambling has always been pretty much tolerated in society, even before off-track betting, legal casinos and lotteries became widespread. Loansharking often results in violence, but is seldom lethal--the shark still has to get paid eventually.
Vito Corleone said it best when he rejected Virgil Solozzo's partnership offer: "It's true that I have a lot of friends in politics. But they wouldn't be friendly very long if they knew that my business is drugs, instead of gambling--which they regard as a harmless vice. But drugs is a dirty business."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
[Re: Turnbull]
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07/08/23 03:30 PM
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When you say "best," I think not only about profit but about safety--the likelyhood that you'll be able to live and enjoy your profits. By that measure, gambling (and I include loansharking with gambling because the two go hand in hand) wins. Sure, drugs are fantastically profitable, but their very profitability attracts extreme competitiveness--and the extreme violence that goes with it. Drugs also attract the most law enforcement attention and results in the longest prison sentences--conviction of carrying hard narcotics with intent to sell is still life without parole in New York State. Gambling/loansharking is not without risks from ruthless competitor, but the overall risks are smaller because gambling has always been pretty much tolerated in society, even before off-track betting, legal casinos and lotteries became widespread. Loansharking often results in violence, but is seldom lethal--the shark still has to get paid eventually.
Vito Corleone said it best when he rejected Virgil Solozzo's partnership offer: "It's true that I have a lot of friends in politics. But they wouldn't be friendly very long if they knew that my business is drugs, instead of gambling--which they regard as a harmless vice. But drugs is a dirty business." Good response TB.
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
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07/08/23 03:35 PM
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And yes, "Best" racket, IMO at least, would have to include the profitability as well as the danger involved in any given activity. And traditionally, I agree. Gambling usually won out. Shylocking also...drugs was always dangerous.
But, today, in 2023, with the gambling rackets largely gutted and no longer the monolithic and profitable racket the mob once enjoyed. THATS the real question I pose.
Today, what's more prevalent? Whats still profitable, etc. Who's the reigning king of rackets. Is it still gambling? Or is it now loansharking, narcotics, or something else, for the vast majority of the current crop of racketeers?
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
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07/08/23 11:46 PM
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Gambling is by no means fading, I don't agree, I think it has to fade/be fading. If someone can log onto their phone or laptop place a bet direct from their bank account with clearer odds, cash out options etc why would they waste their time working with an illegal bookie. I personally see no point except an illegal bookie will give you credit/a loan so there will still be a market for the hardcore gambling addicts. But working with them will have it's headaches cause they've spunked all their money and can't pay you. It will still exist in some capacity but they will lose a lot of customers. Particularly as older generations pass on and it's all kids who have grown up with technology since they were born.
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
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07/09/23 06:57 AM
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The best racket is payday loans. They charge $15-$30 for a two week loan of $100; a loanshark charges 6%/week. Annual percentage rate on payday loans riuns to $780%--and it's completely legal. LOL. You ain't kidding' TB. The whopping interests rates "Pay Day Loan" companies charge, sometimes topping out at over 1500% annually, make what the "alleged" mob shylocks charge (156-260% per year) look benign by comparison. Yet, so-called "Pay Day Loans" are completely legal, and the corner shylock gets pinched...Go figure? It's a stacked deck. And like the man once said, "Do as I say, don't do as I do!" Lol I think that about sums it up!
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
[Re: Brovelli]
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07/09/23 07:37 AM
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Gambling is by no means fading, I don't agree, I think it has to fade/be fading. If someone can log onto their phone or laptop place a bet direct from their bank account with clearer odds, cash out options etc why would they waste their time working with an illegal bookie. I personally see no point except an illegal bookie will give you credit/a loan so there will still be a market for the hardcore gambling addicts. But working with them will have it's headaches cause they've spunked all their money and can't pay you. It will still exist in some capacity but they will lose a lot of customers. Particularly as older generations pass on and it's all kids who have grown up with technology since they were born. Brovelli, I think you made a very astute observation, and I completely agree with you...100%, on all points.
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
[Re: Liggio]
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07/10/23 03:25 PM
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I still say that illegal gambling won't fade away, and also the mob is still involved in legal gambling. I remember reading where Italian authorities said that the Mafia in Italy made more money from the gambling industry when they legalized it. Now grant it, in America it may not be as big of a moneymaker as when it was when it was all completely illegal. But it's not going away. I'll be here to say I told you so when another big gambling bust is reported on this blog. You're right, more often than not when a guy/guys are getting busted even this year gambling is on the indictment. Just longer term I don't see how they survive unless they start up their own legal gambling businesses and compete. This is on the assumption that NY/NJ / America keeps going further into legalization of gambling.
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
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07/10/23 03:54 PM
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I still say loansharking and construction rackets. IMO, construction is still a niche' racket not widely engaged in by the majority of guys. My general impression is that guys who seem to have or be making big money are in construction/property. A lot of Gambinos seem to be: Campos crew, Camuso, Lorenzo Mannino, Fillipelli, that Chris the Plumber Genovese guy was apparently making big money with his plumbing business before he made another ton of money with the lottery thing he was doing. I expect a lot of guys under the radar we're not hearing about are investing in/controlling businesses/property and are making good money. But you may be right, it could be just a few guys making big money rather than a lot of them.
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
[Re: Brovelli]
#1063506
07/11/23 02:45 PM
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I still say loansharking and construction rackets. IMO, construction is still a niche' racket not widely engaged in by the majority of guys. My general impression is that guys who seem to have or be making big money are in construction/property. A lot of Gambinos seem to be: Campos crew, Camuso, Lorenzo Mannino, Fillipelli, that Chris the Plumber Genovese guy was apparently making big money with his plumbing business before he made another ton of money with the lottery thing he was doing. I expect a lot of guys under the radar we're not hearing about are investing in/controlling businesses/property and are making good money. But you may be right, it could be just a few guys making big money rather than a lot of them. I expect that you're correct in that. But thats only for the more business savvy type guys. And again, despite how profitable the construction biz can be. there's only so much of that to go around. So IMO, it's still limited.
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Re: THE BEST RACKET TODAY…
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07/12/23 01:33 PM
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The prostitution racket is so sophisticated these days that even though its forbidden in many countries, still it works almost legally. I mean they even changed the old terms such as "prostitute" or "hooker" with new stuff such as "escort" or "starlette" lol In America (as I'm sure elsewhere all over the world) where prostitution isn't already legal, then its big illegal business. What do they say? Its the oldest profession? Lol
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