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Toodoped: The best fun for me is being the puppeteer of a complete idiot lol lol
Toodoped: ...and screw all paywalls and paying sites. They wont give you shit
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Toodoped: I said I creep and I crawl and I creep and I crawl And I creep and I crawl creep creep lol
Toodoped: Lots of "amnesia"...some people are posting the same stuff over and over, and every time they are happy like small kids lol
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Toodoped: these days lots of people that I know lost their families and everything they had because its legit and even youngsters can chip in
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Toodoped: Word. Few days ago, over here, they caught one teenager with a gun and more than 60 bullets, while going to school. I wonder what was his plan ?!
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Toodoped: still talking to yourself, a stupido?! lol lol
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Toodoped: aaaaand....the retarded stalker is back again
Toodoped: For those who enjoyed the "TD's Free Outfit Articles 2023/24" thread, well thanks to @TB for making it a sticky on the first page in the OC forum so everyone can enjoy it. Again, I want to personally say thanks to TB, JGeoff and the whole GBB forum. Salut
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VanillaLimeCoke: I’m hoping and praying that 2025 will be so much better. …. for real …. Too
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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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07/29/22 03:52 PM
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Guy was good at what he did. He represented the scum of the earth, but even they deserve advocates. We live in a society, as George Costanza would say. Shargel's career is an example of how money buys "justice" in America. If you're like 95% of defendants charged with murder or manslaughter, you're probably too poor to afford any lawyer. You'll be assigned a public defender, who'll immediately advise you to accept a plea bargain to a slightly lower charge. But if you have money--a lot of money--you can get a high-powered criminal lawyer like Shargel, or Bruce Cutler, or Barry Slotnick, or Johnnie Cochrane, or Oscar Goodman. Your chances of being acquitted, or of having the charges dropped, improve dramatically. That's because trial law has nothing to do with innocent or guilty, or right or wrong--it's about who wins and who loses. Not for nothing are opposing lawyers officially called "adversaries." Lawyers hate to lose--especially prosecutors, who usually have ambitions to go on to higher-powered law careers or judgeships. If you have Shargel or one of the other criminal law superstars, prosecutors most likely will try to avoid going to trial, probably by offering you a sweetheart plea bargain. Judges are part of that, too. They hate to have convictions in trials where they presided reversed on appeal--it makes them look bad, and can squash their chances to get appointed to a higher court. If you have enough money to hire a Shargel, they know you also have enough money to hire legal scholars to go over every page of the trial transcript, looking for "judicial errors" that could hurt their careers. They'll bend over backwards to approve objections or motions made by your lawyer, or to find reasons to dismiss your charge on technicalities. Moral of story: it's good to be rich.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies
[Re: Turnbull]
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07/29/22 07:04 PM
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Guy was good at what he did. He represented the scum of the earth, but even they deserve advocates. We live in a society, as George Costanza would say. Shargel's career is an example of how money buys "justice" in America. If you're like 95% of defendants charged with murder or manslaughter, you're probably too poor to afford any lawyer. You'll be assigned a public defender, who'll immediately advise you to accept a plea bargain to a slightly lower charge. But if you have money--a lot of money--you can get a high-powered criminal lawyer like Shargel, or Bruce Cutler, or Barry Slotnick, or Johnnie Cochrane, or Oscar Goodman. Your chances of being acquitted, or of having the charges dropped, improve dramatically. That's because trial law has nothing to do with innocent or guilty, or right or wrong--it's about who wins and who loses. Not for nothing are opposing lawyers officially called "adversaries." Lawyers hate to lose--especially prosecutors, who usually have ambitions to go on to higher-powered law careers or judgeships. If you have Shargel or one of the other criminal law superstars, prosecutors most likely will try to avoid going to trial, probably by offering you a sweetheart plea bargain. Judges are part of that, too. They hate to have convictions in trials where they presided reversed on appeal--it makes them look bad, and can squash their chances to get appointed to a higher court. If you have enough money to hire a Shargel, they know you also have enough money to hire legal scholars to go over every page of the trial transcript, looking for "judicial errors" that could hurt their careers. They'll bend over backwards to approve objections or motions made by your lawyer, or to find reasons to dismiss your charge on technicalities. Moral of story: it's good to be rich. School's in session. Excellently put, Turnbull.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies
[Re: Turnbull]
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07/29/22 08:28 PM
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Guy was good at what he did. He represented the scum of the earth, but even they deserve advocates. We live in a society, as George Costanza would say. Shargel's career is an example of how money buys "justice" in America. If you're like 95% of defendants charged with murder or manslaughter, you're probably too poor to afford any lawyer. You'll be assigned a public defender, who'll immediately advise you to accept a plea bargain to a slightly lower charge. But if you have money--a lot of money--you can get a high-powered criminal lawyer like Shargel, or Bruce Cutler, or Barry Slotnick, or Johnnie Cochrane, or Oscar Goodman. Your chances of being acquitted, or of having the charges dropped, improve dramatically. That's because trial law has nothing to do with innocent or guilty, or right or wrong--it's about who wins and who loses. Not for nothing are opposing lawyers officially called "adversaries." Lawyers hate to lose--especially prosecutors, who usually have ambitions to go on to higher-powered law careers or judgeships. If you have Shargel or one of the other criminal law superstars, prosecutors most likely will try to avoid going to trial, probably by offering you a sweetheart plea bargain. Judges are part of that, too. They hate to have convictions in trials where they presided reversed on appeal--it makes them look bad, and can squash their chances to get appointed to a higher court. If you have enough money to hire a Shargel, they know you also have enough money to hire legal scholars to go over every page of the trial transcript, looking for "judicial errors" that could hurt their careers. They'll bend over backwards to approve objections or motions made by your lawyer, or to find reasons to dismiss your charge on technicalities. Moral of story: it's good to be rich. So we should give every defendant a top lawyer. The other part of the problem is the prosectors are always the rich side, with limitless resources, and even the most expensive attorney cannot match them. In many cases the government appointed judge just sides with the prosecution, and in the case of Shargal and others, the judge does not let them defend the client. Judge Glassser acted as a prosecutor and not as a judge. The DA's have more money, in all cases. In cases like mob cases, limitless money to keep throwing at a defendant. Shargal was great at what he did, he stood up to the government, he was a hero.
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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies
[Re: jace]
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07/29/22 11:02 PM
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Jace, you'd find support for your viewpoint in "The Gotti Wars," by John Gleeson, the prosecutor in Gotti's last trial. And, yes, Judge Glasser definitely favored the prosecution, The book provides perfect examples of the adversarial nature of trial law. I reviewed it here: http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1037134#Post1037134On the other hand, Bruce Cutler walked all over Judge Nickerson in Gotti's 1987 racketeering trial (he was acquitted). And Roy Cohn, the highest-powered, most ruthless lawyer of his day, won for Gotti a sweetheart plea-bargain in the McBratney murder--an open-and-shut Murder One--he served all of two years.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies
[Re: Turnbull]
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07/30/22 12:07 AM
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Jace, you'd find support for your viewpoint in "The Gotti Wars," by John Gleeson, the prosecutor in Gotti's last trial. And, yes, Judge Glasser definitely favored the prosecution, The book provides perfect examples of the adversarial nature of trial law. I reviewed it here: http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1037134#Post1037134On the other hand, Bruce Cutler walked all over Judge Nickerson in Gotti's 1987 racketeering trial (he was acquitted). And Roy Cohn, the highest-powered, most ruthless lawyer of his day, won for Gotti a sweetheart plea-bargain in the McBratney murder--an open-and-shut Murder One--he served all of two years. I think Roy Cohn was not a great lawyer, or even a good one. What it seems he was great at was fixing cases, both as a prosecutor and later as a defense attorney. In a fair trail, I think whatever side Cohn was on he would lose to a Shargal, Cutler, or any good attorney.
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Re: Top Lawyer Gerald Shargel Dies
[Re: Turnbull]
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07/30/22 09:24 AM
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Jace, you'd find support for your viewpoint in "The Gotti Wars," by John Gleeson, the prosecutor in Gotti's last trial. And, yes, Judge Glasser definitely favored the prosecution, The book provides perfect examples of the adversarial nature of trial law. I reviewed it here: http://www.gangsterbb.net/threads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1037134#Post1037134On the other hand, Bruce Cutler walked all over Judge Nickerson in Gotti's 1987 racketeering trial (he was acquitted). And Roy Cohn, the highest-powered, most ruthless lawyer of his day, won for Gotti a sweetheart plea-bargain in the McBratney murder--an open-and-shut Murder One--he served all of two years. . Absolutely. I don’t like either guy but Cohn was the better lawyer by far. I mean the fact that he got got barely two years for the McBratney killing is crazy but like you said that was all Roy Cohn who got him that sweetheart deal
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