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What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? #839282 04/27/15 04:52 AM 04/27/15 04:52 AM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 250 N night_timer OP Capo
night_timer OP N Capo Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 250	What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? He is a polished public speaker, I'll give him that. He was a massive earner for the mob, earning an alleged $8-10 million per week. I heard he had 300 guys under him, so maybe those guys did most of the work? Last edited by night_timer; 04/27/15 04:52 AM. "It was all crap, right up to the moment he died" - an investigator's opinion - and epitaph - of John Holmes (Johnny Wadd) "Drunk words are sober thoughts" - Anon.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839286 04/27/15 05:20 AM 04/27/15 05:20 AM
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TommyGambino T Underboss Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 2,028	He's a rat, though he'll never admit it. Seems like a decent guy tbf, getting a bit bored of seeing him in every Mob documentary though Last edited by TommyGambino; 04/27/15 05:21 AM.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839287 04/27/15 05:21 AM 04/27/15 05:21 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,527 naples,italy furio_from_naples
furio_from_naples Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,527 naples,italy	I have heard that he left the "life" because he was in love with a girl that show him the religion; I think that after a discussion with some of colombo capos where his father Sonny has not defended him but rather was ready to kill him, he understood that it's not the case of risk his life for those people. 8-10 mil a week ? c'mon only with the drugs you can make so much money,with the gasoline you maybe can make 8-10 mil a month,and also the fact of having 300 men under him is not plausible, maybe ten but no more.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: furio_from_naples] #839288 04/27/15 05:29 AM 04/27/15 05:29 AM
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TommyGambino T Underboss Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 2,028	Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples I have heard that he left the "life" because he was in love with a girl that show him the religion; I think that after a discussion with some of colombo capos where his father Sonny has not defended him but rather was ready to kill him, he understood that it's not the case of risk his life for those people. 8-10 mil a week ? c'mon only with the drugs you can make so much money,with the gasoline you maybe can make 8-10 mil a month,and also the fact of having 300 men under him is not plausible, maybe ten but no more. You just mean made men? Because shit load of associates are under these skippers.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839294 04/27/15 06:27 AM 04/27/15 06:27 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,527 naples,italy furio_from_naples
furio_from_naples Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 7,527 naples,italy	I mean made men and with the associated I doubt they get to a few hundred.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839297 04/27/15 07:04 AM 04/27/15 07:04 AM
Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188 B bronx Underboss
bronx B Underboss Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188	still scamming..in the name of the lord

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839298 04/27/15 07:05 AM 04/27/15 07:05 AM
Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 935 Past caring, then hang a left H helenwheels Underboss
helenwheels H Underboss Joined: Mar 2015 Posts: 935 Past caring, then hang a left	He strikes me as skeevy and smarmy. I know that's not an intellectually based judgment, but that's the the first thing that comes to mind whenever I see him on video. Last edited by helenwheels; 04/27/15 07:09 AM. All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable. I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839316 04/27/15 10:03 AM 04/27/15 10:03 AM
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mulberry M Underboss Joined: May 2013 Posts: 999	Originally Posted By: night_timer What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? He is a polished public speaker, I'll give him that. He was a massive earner for the mob, earning an alleged $8-10 million per week. I heard he had 300 guys under him, so maybe those guys did most of the work? How the heck did he have 300 guys under him? Maybe if we're playing the six degrees of Michael Franzese, he would have that many.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: furio_from_naples] #839319 04/27/15 10:07 AM 04/27/15 10:07 AM
Joined: May 2013 Posts: 999 M mulberry Underboss
mulberry M Underboss Joined: May 2013 Posts: 999	Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples I have heard that he left the "life" because he was in love with a girl that show him the religion; I think that after a discussion with some of colombo capos where his father Sonny has not defended him but rather was ready to kill him, he understood that it's not the case of risk his life for those people. 8-10 mil a week ? c'mon only with the drugs you can make so much money,with the gasoline you maybe can make 8-10 mil a month,and also the fact of having 300 men under him is not plausible, maybe ten but no more. I believe the $8-10 million a week is possible because it was over a billion dollars stolen in the scam according to some investigations. Franzese didn't get all of it. It was split among 4 families and who knows how many associates and middlemen. Everyone involved became rich.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: mulberry] #839335 04/27/15 11:37 AM 04/27/15 11:37 AM
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IvyLeague I Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,534	Originally Posted By: mulberry How the heck did he have 300 guys under him? Maybe if we're playing the six degrees of Michael Franzese, he would have that many. That may have come from a ridiculous part of the Quitting the Mob book where it talks about his crew (including it's Russian affiliates) was eventually bigger, wealthier and stronger than all 5 NY families. Last edited by IvyLeague; 04/27/15 11:37 AM. Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839341 04/27/15 12:00 PM 04/27/15 12:00 PM
Joined: May 2014 Posts: 778 Castellammare del Golfo Malandrino Underboss
Malandrino Underboss Joined: May 2014 Posts: 778 Castellammare del Golfo	He really claims that? Lol, and I thought Michael was an upfront guy at least when he talked about the life, unlike some morons who exaggerate every single thing they have been involved in. Micheal sounds pretty genuine most of the time, that's the feeling I get from him. His story of faith, redemption etc, well I never found it THAT impressive, but I guess to each his own. Even his time in the life was basically pretty white-collar all-around. Not exactly the life full of action, hits, etc like some other guys. -I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen... -Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: Malandrino] #839344 04/27/15 12:03 PM 04/27/15 12:03 PM
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IvyLeague I Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,534	Originally Posted By: Malandrino He really claims that? Lol, and I thought Michael was an upfront guy at least when he talked about the life, unlike some morons who exaggerate every single thing they have been involved in. Micheal sounds pretty genuine most of the time, that's the feeling I get from him. His story of faith, redemption etc, well I never found it THAT impressive, but I guess to each his own. Even his time in the life was basically pretty white-collar all-around. Not exactly the life full of action, hits, etc like some other guys. I always got the impression that was more Dary Matera's creation and Franseze just let him run with it. Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: IvyLeague] #839352 04/27/15 12:43 PM 04/27/15 12:43 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor
pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck	Originally Posted By: IvyLeague Originally Posted By: mulberry How the heck did he have 300 guys under him? Maybe if we're playing the six degrees of Michael Franzese, he would have that many. That may have come from a ridiculous part of the Quitting the Mob book where it talks about his crew (including it's Russian affiliates) was eventually bigger, wealthier and stronger than all 5 NY families. That's honestly fucking hysterical. I may have to track down that book on Amazon just for a few laughs . "I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839354 04/27/15 12:47 PM 04/27/15 12:47 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678 DiLorenzo Underboss
DiLorenzo Underboss Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678	Franzese is one of the more likable guy's in these shows, books etc...He doesn't pretend to claim how tough he was or still is..Doesn't lie about banging penthouse pets etc...Just basically talks about family and making money...One of the few likable ones in my opinion !!

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839363 04/27/15 01:28 PM 04/27/15 01:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 250 N night_timer OP Capo
night_timer OP N Capo Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 250	From memory, the "300 guys" and the "$8-10 million a week" came from his gas station scam. He said he had hundreds of those, as well. "It was all crap, right up to the moment he died" - an investigator's opinion - and epitaph - of John Holmes (Johnny Wadd) "Drunk words are sober thoughts" - Anon.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839391 04/27/15 04:12 PM 04/27/15 04:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678 DiLorenzo Underboss
DiLorenzo Underboss Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678	Its possible the gas scam was bringing in $10 mill a week, but there were many hands in that pot, it wasn't just him, the Colombo's and Russians !!

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: furio_from_naples] #839393 04/27/15 04:23 PM 04/27/15 04:23 PM
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest Binnie_Coll Underboss
Binnie_Coll Underboss Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 3,021 far, northwest	Originally Posted By: furio_from_naples I have heard that he left the "life" because he was in love with a girl that show him the religion; I think that after a discussion with some of colombo capos where his father Sonny has not defended him but rather was ready to kill him, he understood that it's not the case of risk his life for those people. 8-10 mil a week ? c'mon only with the drugs you can make so much money,with the gasoline you maybe can make 8-10 mil a month,and also the fact of having 300 men under him is not plausible, maybe ten but no more. im with you, hes ridiculous. I really think hes a big rat phoney, he couldn't do any time so he flipped. " watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839396 04/27/15 04:27 PM 04/27/15 04:27 PM
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oldschool3 Capo Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 277 PA/FL	Franzese's schtick is to downplay his strength at times, while at other times making almost unbelievable claims of power and money.......while he appears to be more mature and intelligent than most other mobsters, he is definitely not a sociopath (as most are), but a bullshitter nonetheless, stuck on making himself look as good as possible at all times....just like the rest of the rats that preceded him (yes I know he's not really a rat....whatever).

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839403 04/27/15 04:48 PM 04/27/15 04:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678 DiLorenzo Underboss
DiLorenzo Underboss Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,678	On that one show Henry Hill said Franzese saved him in jail because he was an informant who told the guards who Hill really was...That's probably why Franzese doesn't speak highly of Hill, but did admit saving his life !!

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839423 04/27/15 05:45 PM 04/27/15 05:45 PM
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njcapo35 BANNED Underboss Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,262 >>>OVA THERE	I wonder if he has any bodies under his belt?...I doubt it, doesn't seem like the type. The only reason i ask, he was made in the 70's, when it was the Wild Wild West. "Jersey...It's where my story begins."

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: njcapo35] #839436 04/27/15 06:17 PM 04/27/15 06:17 PM
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cammybatts1 street crew boss Wiseguy Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 14 Cin City	word was he whacked out "champagne"Larry corozza,who was a close friend of his.I don't think it ever really came to light. you better have that 200 in my fuckin hands.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: cammybatts1] #839492 04/28/15 03:58 AM 04/28/15 03:58 AM
Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188 B bronx Underboss
bronx B Underboss Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 2,188	I agree, he blames others for killing his best friend, nobody kills a captain guy who is bringing in tens of millions without getting an o.k from him..larry started the gas scam..

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: pizzaboy] #839547 04/28/15 10:52 AM 04/28/15 10:52 AM
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IvyLeague I Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,534	Originally Posted By: pizzaboy Originally Posted By: IvyLeague Originally Posted By: mulberry How the heck did he have 300 guys under him? Maybe if we're playing the six degrees of Michael Franzese, he would have that many. That may have come from a ridiculous part of the Quitting the Mob book where it talks about his crew (including it's Russian affiliates) was eventually bigger, wealthier and stronger than all 5 NY families. That's honestly fucking hysterical. I may have to track down that book on Amazon just for a few laughs . It's actually a decent book. It's just many of these authors can't seem to check themselves when it comes to over-hyping their subject matter. Mods should mind their own business and leave poster's profile signatures alone.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: night_timer] #839552 04/28/15 11:21 AM 04/28/15 11:21 AM
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Chopper2012 C Capo Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 357 Amsterdam	Seems like every pensionado/witness/rat/who gives a fuck out there happens to be the toughest gangster to ever walk the earth, in the know on everything from the Masseria hit up too every sportsbook in Costa Rica Last edited by Chopper2012; 04/28/15 11:51 AM.

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: Chopper2012] #839561 04/28/15 12:28 PM 04/28/15 12:28 PM
Joined: May 2014 Posts: 778 Castellammare del Golfo Malandrino Underboss
Malandrino Underboss Joined: May 2014 Posts: 778 Castellammare del Golfo	Originally Posted By: Chopper2012 Seems like every pensionado/witness/rat/who gives a fuck out there happens to be the toughest gangster to ever walk the earth, in the know on everything from the Masseria hit up too every sportsbook in Costa Rica True, some of these rats/ex-wiseguys like to give history lessons even when it comes to topics that are WAY out of their depth or knowledge. Things that are public record, that they have read in books/newspapers just like anybody else. -I shot him a coupla' times. -What's a couple? -Hmm, more than a couple... Really I don't know the exact amount, maybe I shot him 10 times, 12 times? -Maybe fifteen? -Hmm, it could've been fifteen... -Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso

Re: What do you think of Michael Franzese these days? [Re: Malandrino] #839562 04/28/15 12:33 PM 04/28/15 12:33 PM
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pizzaboy The Fuckin Doctor Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,296 Throggs Neck	Originally Posted By: Malandrino Originally Posted By: Chopper2012 Seems like every pensionado/witness/rat/who gives a fuck out there happens to be the toughest gangster to ever walk the earth, in the know on everything from the Masseria hit up too every sportsbook in Costa Rica True, some of these rats/ex-wiseguys like to give history lessons even when it comes to topics that are WAY out of their depth or knowledge. Things that are public record, that they have read in books/newspapers just like anybody else. Check your pm. "I got news for you. If it wasn't for the toilet, there would be no books." --- George Costanza.

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