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Godfather II ?'s #7582
04/07/04 10:58 AM
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1. Why did Hymon Roth order the hit on Frankie Pantangelese?

2. Why did Frankie commit suicide in the bathroom?

3. Who wanted the Rosato brothers killed and why? Was it Michael.

4. Did Michael know at first that he wanted Hymon Roth dead? He came to him at first as in a friend.

5. When Michael was set up in his home, was this because of Fredo's ties with Roth?

I have watched the movie a lot but want to make sure and clear things up. Thanks!

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04/07/04 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by DJGodfather:
1. Why did Hymon Roth order the hit on Frankie Pantangelese?

2. Why did Frankie commit suicide in the bathroom?

3. Who wanted the Rosato brothers killed and why? Was it Michael.

4. Did Michael know at first that he wanted Hymon Roth dead? He came to him at first as in a friend.

5. When Michael was set up in his home, was this because of Fredo's ties with Roth?

I have watched the movie a lot but want to make sure and clear things up. Thanks!
1. When Michael met with Roth, he seemed to blame Pentangeli for the attack on his home in Tahoe, and told Roth, "Frank Pentangeli is a dead man." But he didn't kill Pentangeli--instead he sent him to settle his problem with the Rosato brothers. This action told Roth that Michael really didn't think Pentangeli was behind the Tahoe attack--meaning that Michael might have suspected Roth. So Roth ordered the Rosato brothers to kill Pentangeli to prevent Michael and Pentangeli from planning and carrying out retaliation against Roth.
2. Frankie killed himself because, when he and Hagen were discussing the deaths of Roman plotters, Hagen made it clear that if Frankie killed himself as an apology for having betrayed Michael, his family would be provided for by Michael.
3. Only Frankie wanted the Rosato brothers killed because he had a dispute with them over three territories in the Bronx that Clemenza supposedly promised them before he died. At the end, Hagen said to Michael, "Roth and the Rosatos are on the run..." but we only saw Michael take revenge on Roth, not the Rosatos.
4. Michael thought Roth was an ally and a business partner until the Tahoe attack. Then he immediately saw that Roth was behind the attack. But he continued to pretend that he thought Frankie was behind the attack, and that Roth was his friend, to deceive Roth, and to buy time to find out who the traitor was in his family.
5. Most people here believe that Fredo played a significant role in setting up the attack on Michael's bedroom. Many believe that Fredo gave Roth information, and may have opened the drapes over the bedroom windows for the shooters.


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Thank you for that information, that helps a lot!

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Another ?

1. Why did Roth want Michael killed? Roth did business with the family before.

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Another ?

1. Why did Roth want Michael killed? Roth did business with the family before.
Roth did business with Vito Corleone--but it was only Prohibition-era booze business, NOT gambling business. But Michael began horning in on Roth's Western gambling empire even before Vito died. The first business activity we saw Michael engaging in when he returned from Sicily was to try to get Moe Green (Roth's best friend) to sell his hotel. When Moe refused, Michael had him killed. By the time GFII opens (late 1958) Michael has moved his entire operation to Nevada, owns or controls three hotels, is about to move Klingman out of a fourth hotel that's owned by Roth, and obviously has designs on Roth's Havana gambling empire. Small wonder Roth feels threatened! So Roth pretended that Michael was his heir-apparent, but secretly planned to kill him to end the threat.


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Great! Now the movie makes much more sense THANKS!

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1. Why did Roth want Michael killed? Roth did business with the family before.
I think Mike said something to Fredo about that. Something to the effect of- Roth treats me like a son, but he doesnt think he's getting old.He thinks he's going to live forever. I always took that as Roth didnt think a younger guy-Mike- should be running HIS empire/territory, which was what Mike was planning to do.


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