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Re: Was Al D'Arco being overly paranoid ....
[Re: SinatraClub]
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02/27/15 08:49 AM
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Yet Avellino stayed and was unharmed after D'Arco hightailed it out of there. And remained a large part of the Lucchese hierarchy the years following that supposed hit attempt. That's true. But I stand by my assertion that had Casso never been arrested he would have hit Sal, who I know for an absolute fact he resented like crazy for his business savvy and especially his money. Then he would have hit Carmine just to be safe. Now I don't give two shits for D'Arco. But there was a lot of resentment geared towards Avellino. Same exact situation as Mikey Salerno. They hit him because they wanted the fucking dump. No other reason. Then they tried to brand him a rat after the fact to justify it. And Mikey Salerno was no fucking rat. They would have used the same line of bullshit if they had hit Sal. Casso resented intelligence as much as he resented his underlings having more money than him. I'm glad the Feds fucked him over. By rights, he ratted and he should be out. But fuck him. That's one guy that shouldn't even be given a fucking aspirin if he develops stage four cancer.
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Re: Was Al D'Arco being overly paranoid ....
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Fuck Sal Avellino, it's a pity he avoided the general purge by that nut Casso. He ordered the Kubecka/Barstow murders who weren't even members of the underworld: one of the relatively few cases in USA when the mafia killed innocents (not even accidentally catching them in the crossfire, but with premeditation). And he never did enough prison time for it. 10 years is a joke for such a crime, and I'm not sure if he did them all. Look, Dwalin. I like you a lot. You know that. And what I'm about to say is not to be taken as an insult, okay? Because I actually respect your consistency a great deal. But you are, by far, the biggest moralist I've ever encountered on any of these boards. This was the Mafia during the '80s. The guys we're talking about were ALL killers, and the Kubecka/Barstow thing was heinous. I worked for Local 813 for 25 years and believe me, those murders scared the shit out of some people who were very scary in their own right. They shouldn't have happened. But a) you can't place the entire blame on Avellino, and b) you can't seriously mention him in the same breath as Anthony Casso. Like I said, I respect your consistency. And I try to lead a moral life myself. But I'm not a moralist. Because unless you work in Government, or within the legal system, I honestly believe that's God's job. But the moralist in you won't allow you to differentiate a serial killer who easily killed over twenty people to a run of the mill mob guy. And I'll just never understand that kind of logic. As far as his prison term, the government agreed to it. It was a plea bargain. We don't have Gulags in America   .
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Re: Was Al D'Arco being overly paranoid ....
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02/27/15 10:22 AM
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Fuck Sal Avellino, it's a pity he avoided the general purge by that nut Casso. He ordered the Kubecka/Barstow murders who weren't even members of the underworld: one of the relatively few cases in USA when the mafia killed innocents (not even accidentally catching them in the crossfire, but with premeditation). And he never did enough prison time for it. 10 years is a joke for such a crime, and I'm not sure if he did them all. Look, Dwalin. I like you a lot. You know that. And what I'm about to say is not to be taken as an insult, okay? Because I actually respect your consistency a great deal. But you are, by far, the biggest moralist I've ever encountered on any of these boards. This was the Mafia during the '80s. The guys we're talking about were ALL killers, and the Kubecka/Barstow thing was heinous. I worked for Local 813 for 25 years and believe me, those murders scared the shit out of some people who were very scary in their own right. They shouldn't have happened. But a) you can't place the entire blame on Avellino, and b) you can't seriously mention him in the same breath as Anthony Casso. Like I said, I respect your consistency. And I try to lead a moral life myself. But I'm not a moralist. Because unless you work in Government, or within the legal system, I honestly believe that's God's job. But the moralist in you won't allow you to differentiate a serial killer who easily killed over twenty people to a run of the mill mob guy. And I'll just never understand that kind of logic. As far as his prison term, the government agreed to it. It was a plea bargain. We don't have Gulags in America . Pizzaboy, I respect you too and I am not questioning your point of view. But still, wasn't it Avellino's idea to whack Kubecka and Barstow while Casso gave the ok? Casso is a serial killer, but apart from Chiodo's sister and the wrong Nicky Guido, he killed other mobsters. That doesn't justify him in any way, he is also a coward who turned informant immediately after getting caught, but I thought that in the specific case of Kubecka/Barstow the one who is mostly to blame is the one who suggested to do it, meaning Avellino. As for plea bargains, I personally think (without imposing my point of view to anybody) that THIS SPECIFIC case didn't warrant it. The ones involved should have got the maximum possible, imho.
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Re: Was Al D'Arco being overly paranoid ....
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02/27/15 10:32 AM
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I personally think (without imposing my point of view to anybody) that THIS SPECIFIC case didn't warrant it. The ones involved should have got the maximum possible, imho. The Government couldn't have been too confident in their case, or they would have never made the deal. We're talking about the murder of innocents by the Mafia. They wanted to bury everyone involved UNDER the jail and leave them there.
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Re: Was Al D'Arco being overly paranoid ....
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02/27/15 11:44 AM
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have a great dinner, tough getting old.best of luck Thanks, Bronx. He'll be okay. Just a bump in the road. He'll be 86 in the Fall, I'll be 56. His fucking vitals are better than mine lol. Just some unforeseen complications right now. You want a pick four for the weekend? We're on flight number 1415 tomorrow, LaGuardia Delta to West Palm. Should be home in Delray in time for dinner.
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Re: Was Al D'Arco being overly paranoid ....
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Al wasn't paranoid. The writing was on the wall. He botched a few assignments. Also the fact that he was skimming proceeds off the top didn't help his cause. The stealing didn't sign his death certificate but the greed did. Casso demanded receipts because he knew the math was off! Agree but those doush bags were using him and were weak, he had to do what he did or man up and sign off with balls. Signing off with balls would have meant making deals with caps who would deal and shed the outrageously greedy unbalanced despotic bastardized bosses who could have been voted down.
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