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Re: The mob during the crack era
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Yes he ran Harlem for nearly 20 years then as soon as he was caught he snitched on everyone. He was supposedly like a cult leader not true, his best friend from the council fucked his girl and broke a bunch of other rules. then he flipped. according to him that is.
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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02/25/15 02:17 PM
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Yes he ran Harlem for nearly 20 years then as soon as he was caught he snitched on everyone. He was supposedly like a cult leader not true, his best friend from the council fucked his girl and broke a bunch of other rules. then he flipped. according to him that is. @extortion thats nicky barnes your talking about. @loudimaggio yeah but he's still doing life, he would have been looking at the death penalty otherwise. Does anyone know if there was any wars between the jamaican posses and local organisations?
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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This guy was one of the first jamaicans to introduce crack to new york.
Delroy (Uzi) Edwards leader of the renkers posse.
A Drug Dealer Gets a Sentence Of 7 Life Terms
By Leonard Buder - The New York Times
Saturday, December 2, 1989
A 30-year-old drug dealer who ran one of the largest and most violent drug rings in Brooklyn and was responsible for 6 murders, 17 assaults, a kidnapping, a maiming and other crimes, was sentenced yesterday to seven consecutive life terms in Federal prison.
As the defendant, Delroy (Uzi) Edwards, stood in Federal District Court with his hands clasped and his head slightly bowed, Judge Raymond J. Dearie said he wished the sentencing could have been on a Brooklyn street, so young people could ''see what this fast-lane life style has to offer.''
Mr. Edwards, a Jamaican who lives in Brooklyn, was the first dealer to sell crack, the smokable cocaine derivative, in the Bedford-Stuyvesant area, in 1985, law-enforcement authorities have said. They said he received his nickname because he sometimes concealed an Uzi submachine gun under a trench coat.
After a plea from Mr. Edwards's court-appointed lawyer, David Gordon, to impose a sentence that would offer the defendant hope ''down the road,'' Judge Dearie said: ''I hope he finds a way to make something of his life. But I believe in my heart that the theme of this proceeding has to be, 'Thou shall not kill.' '' Not Eligible for Parole
Under the sentence, which calls for 15 years in prison besides the life sentences, and a $1 million fine, Mr. Edwards will not be eligible for parole.
Mr. Edwards, who wore a gray business suit, said nothing. His appearance and demeanor yesterday, as well as at the trial last summer, was in sharp contrast to a picture painted by the prosecutors, John Gleeson and Jonny J. Frank.
At the trial, they had depicted Mr. Edwards as a ''coldhearted, brutal, vicious killer'' who dealt harshly with rival dealers and employees he suspected of stealing from him and, in the process, was often responsible for the deaths or injuries of innocent people ''who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.'' He was convicted on 42 counts.
After Mr. Gordon had asked Judge Dearie to hold out the possibility of a parole, Mr. Gleeson told the court: ''He's been convicted of the most serious drug offenses. It's the whole smorgasboard of crimes that can be brought in this context. No country deserves the risk of his ever being on the streets.''
Before imposing sentence, Judge Dearie said Mr. Edwards has intelligence, street smarts and leadership qualities and could have made something of his life. Instead, the judge said, Mr. Edwards chose ''this joy ride, this flashy come-and-get-me life style'' that left in its trail many victims.
The judge added that in a sense, Mr. Edwards was one of his own victims and that as he pursued his illicit career, he ''became one of the pioneers of the crack trade.''
Mr. Edwards, who has been in jail since March 1988, still faces a state murder charge in a homicide in 1987.
Delroy (Uzi) Edwards, described as the leader of one of Brooklyn's largest and most violent drug rings, who has been sentenced to seven consecutive life terms.
Crack's destructive sprint across America
The New York Times
October 1, 1989
Delroy Edwards grew up poor in the tough, stifling shantytowns of Kingston, Jamaica. In 1980, at the age of 20, he went to work as a street enforcer for the Jamaica Labor Party of Edward Seaga. Seaga was locked in a bitter election duel with the People's National Party, headed by Michael Manley, and each side was forming armed gangs to intimidate the other.
The gangs did their job only too well, killing 800 people by election day. After his victory, Seaga launched a crackdown, and many gang members, feeling the heat, headed for the United States. Among them was Delroy Edwards. Slipping into Brooklyn on a tourist visa, he eventually made his way into the marijuana business, selling nickel bags out of a neighborhood storefront.
At the beginning of 1985, Edwards learned to make crack. Soon he was selling little else. He worked out of two ''flagship'' spots in Brooklyn - one, a two-story house, the other, an abandoned brownstone near a housing project. Enough poor blacks coughed up enough $5 bills to enable Edwards to buy a $150,000 home on Long Island - and to pay for it in cash.
That wasn't enough for Edwards, who began looking to expand his business. Unfortunately, New York was already crowded with crack dealers; outside the city, however, lay plenty of virgin territory. In Washington, Baltimore and Philadelphia, for instance, crack was just beginning to catch on. Enterprising local dealers would travel to New York, buy a few ounces of cocaine, return home, convert it into crack, and sell the product for three or four times the New York street price.
In the fall of 1986, Edwards traveled to Washington and set up shop; by the following spring his lieutenants had established thriving businesses in Philadelphia and Baltimore as well. At its peak, Edwards's organization, known as the Rankers, employed 50 workers and made up to $100,000 a day.
The glory days did not last. Edwards - nicknamed ''Uzi'' for his taste in weapons -was pathologically violent. People who crossed him were pistol-whipped, beaten with baseball bats, shot in the legs. One 16-year-old worker, suspected of cheating, was beaten unconscious with bats, scalded with boiling water, and suspended by a chain from the ceiling until he died.
Eventually, the police caught up with Edwards, and in July a Brooklyn jury convicted him on 42 counts of murder, assault, kidnapping and drug dealing. Edwards is now awaiting sentencing. The Rankers have disintegrated.
But there are 40 other groups just like the Rankers, running crack out of New York and Miami to points across the country. Posses, they're called, after their members' affection for American westerns (and the guns used in them). Most, like the Rankers, took shape as gangs during the 1980 Jamaican election, then fled to the United States and regrouped. Here, their 10,000 to 20,000 members, organized in posses with as few as 25 members and as many as several hundred, keep incessantly on the move, slipping in and out of the many Jamaican communities scattered across the country.
To maintain loyalty, each posse generally restricts membership to the residents of a particular neighborhood in Kingston. Posse members travel with fake IDs, making it tough for policemen to identify them. Sometimes, as a cover, they attach themselves to reggae groups touring the country. Today, Jamaicans are believed to control 35 percent to 40 percent of the nation's crack network.
''They're very good businessmen,'' says John A. O'Brien, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (B.A.T.F.), the Federal agency that most closely monitors the posses. ''They follow the law of supply and demand. When they see that a vial of crack selling for $5 in New York will get $15 in Kansas City, they'll move in.''
New York is their ''training school,'' O'Brien says, ''like going to Wharton. They'll take a guy doing a good job in Harlem and send him to open an office in the Midwest.'' On his arrival in the new area, the posse sales rep will rent a motel room and conduct a market survey of sorts to determine the most lucrative spot in town. Then he'll rent an apartment or, better yet, get a single female to lend him one in return for crack.
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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02/26/15 09:21 AM
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The OBFCL album and the mob references....direct result of them growing up on Staten Island with Italian kids who allowed people to believe that they were connected to lcn.
Wu-Gambinos
Strong Staten Island accent is heard on the early Wu albums
There's a skit called torture on maybe the first Method Man album where Meth and Rae are speaking to each other back and forth and iif you didn't know who it was could easily be two older Italian men
"I'll F'en hit your nuts with a spiked bat" "I'll F'en cut your eyelids off and feed you nothing but sleeping pills"
Later on....a guy who was managing Wu members turned out to be really connected.....and he turned informant. ..Michael Caruso I think a lot of that was also due to the influence of gangster movies like scarface and goodfellas which are popular amongst rappers. Theres a lot of cool terminology and quotes in those movies. Michael caruso is a very peculiar case. He ratted on a lot of people and then came back as a hip hop guy. Is he still managing them. Heres some background for people not familiar. http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-05-23/news/wu-tang-clan-is-sumthing-ta-fuck-wit/ Only Built for Cuban Linx was a classic
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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02/26/15 11:00 AM
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The OBFCL album and the mob references....direct result of them growing up on Staten Island with Italian kids who allowed people to believe that they were connected to lcn.
Wu-Gambinos
Strong Staten Island accent is heard on the early Wu albums
There's a skit called torture on maybe the first Method Man album where Meth and Rae are speaking to each other back and forth and iif you didn't know who it was could easily be two older Italian men
"I'll F'en hit your nuts with a spiked bat" "I'll F'en cut your eyelids off and feed you nothing but sleeping pills"
Later on....a guy who was managing Wu members turned out to be really connected.....and he turned informant. ..Michael Caruso I think a lot of that was also due to the influence of gangster movies like scarface and goodfellas which are popular amongst rappers. Theres a lot of cool terminology and quotes in those movies. Michael caruso is a very peculiar case. He ratted on a lot of people and then came back as a hip hop guy. Is he still managing them. Heres some background for people not familiar. http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-05-23/news/wu-tang-clan-is-sumthing-ta-fuck-wit/ Only Built for Cuban Linx was a classic Best rap album ever made.
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Re: The mob during the crack era
[Re: LouDiMagio]
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02/26/15 02:20 PM
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Jamaican crews didnt always get the best of home grown crews A great example of this is the situation in philly in the 80's with JBM and the jamaican posse. By all accounts , the Junior Black Mafia , who were basically the sons of Black Mafia members , smashed the jamaicans and kinda ran them out of philly. A great documentary on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEOb1IqqQ0I also dont think that the Jamaicans fair too well against home grown crews that are muslim. Black muslim crews are typically more disciplined and organized
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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02/26/15 05:26 PM
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@ mightyhealthy, With all due respect, ONE of the best rap albums. Nas's Illmatic & Lupe's Food & Liquor are classics too. @ Cheech, Agreed.
If you think you are too small to make a difference, you haven't spend the night with a mosquito. - African Proverb
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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02/27/15 09:22 AM
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Jamaican crews didnt always get the best of home grown crews A great example of this is the situation in philly in the 80's with JBM and the jamaican posse. By all accounts , the Junior Black Mafia , who were basically the sons of Black Mafia members , smashed the jamaicans and kinda ran them out of philly. A great documentary on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fEOb1IqqQ0I also dont think that the Jamaicans fair too well against home grown crews that are muslim. Black muslim crews are typically more disciplined and organized thanks for the info organized groups that were already entrenched in local areas ere gonna be better able to fend off invaders the thing is...the 70s gangs in NYC area had died down and broken into crews.....so conditions were better for vicious outsiders to come in and wreak havoc.
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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02/27/15 09:28 AM
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I've always loved Jay z since his reasonable doubt days. I've always been a big hip hop fan ever since it really came to fruition in the 80s. I don't think he sold in BA did he? I know he mentioned it in one of his songs I think but in his book I only heard him say he sold over in Trenton for a long time. But idk maybe he did. Seems like a he made a lot of money from selling. Which isn't surpising. Reasonable doubt and illmatic are my two favorite hip hop albums.
used to hustle down in VA/ was hurtin em in the home of the Terrapins/ said that in H to the Izzo...Terrapins are the mascot of the U. of Maryland so I guess he was hustling around the DMV area I did read that he used to be out in Trenton....it makes sense because his original rapping style..that fast stuff..is a Trenton style...YZ and Poor Righteous Teachers
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Re: The mob during the crack era
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I've always loved Jay z since his reasonable doubt days. I've always been a big hip hop fan ever since it really came to fruition in the 80s. I don't think he sold in BA did he? I know he mentioned it in one of his songs I think but in his book I only heard him say he sold over in Trenton for a long time. But idk maybe he did. Seems like a he made a lot of money from selling. Which isn't surpising. Reasonable doubt and illmatic are my two favorite hip hop albums.
used to hustle down in VA/ was hurtin em in the home of the Terrapins/ said that in H to the Izzo...Terrapins are the mascot of the U. of Maryland so I guess he was hustling around the DMV area I did read that he used to be out in Trenton....it makes sense because his original rapping style..that fast stuff..is a Trenton style...YZ and Poor Righteous Teachers I think he was rapping like that before he moved to Trenton. But he battled Wise Intelligent from the poor righteous teachers when he was there.
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