what was the real reason behind the killing of bugsy siegel? its said that virgina hill was depositing money in swiss bank accounts. the flamingo had cost overruns in the millions, but, most of it did go to the construction of the hotel. did lansky try to save him with the investors and was over ruled, or was it lansky himself who wanted him killed. virgina hill commited sucicide years later, and, died destitute, so if she stole money what happened to it. did bugsy have too high of a profile in Hollywood and the bosses just got sick of him?

I think it had more to do with Chicago wanting to take over the race wire.

Siegel was killed for a variety of reasons: attracting too much attention, borrowed $ 4 million corresponding to 60 million today, allowed his girlfriend Virginia Hill stole part of the money,the opening of the Flamingo was a fiasco.
Siegel until was useful to create a network of gambling, prostitution and other in Los Angeles for the East Coast mafia,until made ​​money,was useful to keep him alive.
Luciano also respected the Jews and the other Italian bore their Jews partners until the 20s and 30s, after they could well do without them, and so Lansky had to accept the inevitable and Bugsy was killed.

Thats my take on it also. And too think there's not even a plaque in LV for Ben "dont call me bugsy" siegal.

furio, yeah, that about sums it up. he just got to Hollywood for the investors to put up with, bugsy was first, the syndicate came second. big mistake to think he was bigger than they were. but, did lansky try to save him?

snakes, didn't Chicago already have the race wire, even when siegel was there.

Initially, the Flamingo Hotel was an investment project by members of the Luciano and Mangano Families. But when the idea of owning a fully legit gambling establishment in Nevada grew on others, more people wanted in. Soon members of the Cleveland, Chicago, Milwaukee and Kansas City Families all had a stake in the Hotel. The project stalled several times and when Siegel asked for more money, the investors began to think that Siegel was stiffing them, demanding more money for the project to succceed. It became a "national" problem and was therefore brought to the Commission by some investors who wanted out and their money back. Siegel said no, which led to his killing. The money issue was the excuse they used to have him killed but there may be other reasons as well like the ones mentioned in this thread earlier. It is said that Siegel had rubbed many people the wrong way since day one he arrived out west. Apparently he had started to believe he was untouchable, disrespecting bosses. LA´s Jack Dragna for example.

Since no one was ever indicted, much less convicted, of Siegel's killing, plenty of theories abound.

The most likely is that his NY partners (notably Luciano, Adonis and Lansky) had him killed because the original $1 million estimate to finish the Flamingo escalated past $5 million, and they thought he and/or Hill were embezzling it. No concrete evidence has ever surfaced that they were (or at least were taking big bucks). Some writers think Siegel was simply a bad businessman--constantly changing the design of the Flamingo and getting ripped off by contractors--which would account for the over-runs. He also sold thousands of points I the Flamingo, which expanded the range of his enemies. Who pulled the trigger? Who knows, although some suggest that Jack Dragna, the LA Mafia boss, got the contract.

Other theories: Dragna did it in revenge for Siegel muscling into his rackets; Chicago ordered the hit because he was abusing Hill (although Hill was tough enough to abuse him); and that Hill's brother, Chick, did it. I go with NY.

in the book " Havana nocturne" the author says it was discussed when Luciano came there to meet with other bosses. but, every thing after is speculation. my view like most on this thread, he got to thinking he was bigger than the n.y. bosses.

I think that as long Luciano was in america Siegel was really untouchable, after all is thanks to him and Lansky that Salvatore Lucania became Lucky Luciano, but without Luciano, bugsy was vulnerable, either because Lansky was an associate, high livel but always an associate.
Gambling was legalized in Nevada in 1931, and I think that only with Siegel, the mafia realized that las vegas could have become a gold mine.
In the movie "Bugsy" Siegel mistreats Dragna Jack,that can't react and says that if it reacts "will come Lucky Luciano and will thrusts a machine gun in our ass"

The mob bosses were also suspicious that Bugsy was skimming from the money that he was kicking up to them.

That was all BS. There was no rift between the two and they made plenty of money together.

As usual it was over money

Bugsy was helping Chicago run the Trans-America wire service, but it is said he refused to relinquish his control when they asked him to. Supposedly he offered to sell his stake for $2 million. This most likely would have rankled some nerves. Bookies around Los Angeles were being forced to pay double (Trans America and Continental) for wire services and were looking for relief.

6/13/1947 An Outfit associate announced Trans-America publishing bankruptcy

6/16/1947 Virginia Hill leaves for France. Someone most likely was protecting her and put her out of harms way.

An Fbi agent testified at Kefauver hearing that wire service representatives had a meeting at the Flamingo about this time before he was killed on 6/20.

There may have been multiple reasons why he was killed and the wasteful spending for the Flamingo may have been a factor or the reason, but it's hard to ignore the wire service as a possibilty.

yes, your theory seems very plausible, and it most certainly appears that virgina knew what was going to come down, bugsy's attitude problem was no doubt part of it. the question ive always had is, did lansky try to save his old friend? or was it out of his hands?

i thought it was cause he went over the top with mob money and he tried to dominate the la crime family.

What's interesting is almost the moment that Siegel was killed in Los Angeles, Dave Berman, Gus Greenbaum and Moe Sedway walked into the Flamingo and announced that Siegel was dead and that they were now in charge.

Well, that might tie in with the most recent "revelation" that Siegal was killed when he threatened his financier (Moe Sedway).

Supposedly Matthew Pandza (aka "Moose") did the killing.

He fucked up .. Duh

anybody who don't know the possible solution's 2 this ( including ,young,green behind the ears,pretty chicks that don't know any better,wanna b mob chick's)should just keep thier mouth's shut ,& maybe read a real book or so....

Ok, how about THiS theory for why BUgsy was hit;
https://books.google.com/books?id=YMpNBA...ang&f=false
Any thoughts guys?

Maybe start at the Mexican connection....

I thought it was a little, like hmmmmm, but then I Read this in John ROberts book...
“BUT WHEREVER I go, I meet people like me. Illegal people. One day Vera and I were at the pool, and a kid about my age came over and started talking to us. This guy looked American, but he spoke with a Spanish accent. “I’m Carlos Hill,” he said. “I have a club in town called Carlos’s. Please come tonight as my guests.”
Carlos’s was a Mexican version of a New York steak house. Next door there was an illegal casino. Vera and I went with Andy and his girl. Carlos Hill hosted us the entire night. Obviously, he was a sharp kid, and he was into the same things as Andy and me. Once he broke out the cocaine, we really bonded. Andy and I told him about our nightclub business in New York, and Carlos said, “You work with Gambino?”
“Why would you say that?” I said.
Carlos said, “My mom is from the United States. She came here to hide.”
“Who the hell is your mother?” Andy said.
“Virginia Hill.”*
Carlos claimed he was the illegitimate son of Bugsy Siegel and Virginia Hill.† I never found out if his story was true, but he was obviously[…]”

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There is also the theory in theOutfit, where I believe they hint at the hit coming from MOe DAlitz, I don't have the book in front of me right now, I gotta look up the page number....

If anyone has an opinion, please read that link in its entirety, I've actually never heard anyone's opinion on this theory ever, don't even think it's widely circulated for good reason lol...