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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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At least 75 percent of wiseguys have never pulled the trigger, and it's always been that way. That has to be the biggest misconception about Mobsters PB. Yeah some have pulled the trigger, but it's definitely not a prerequisite. Making money and kicking up it's probably one of the most important thing. If it was still a perquisite the families would be down to crumbs.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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At least 75 percent of wiseguys have never pulled the trigger, and it's always been that way. That has to be the biggest misconception about Mobsters PB. Yeah some have pulled the trigger, but it's definitely not a prerequisite. Making money and kicking up it's probably one of the most important thing. Yeah, and in the 25 percent of the wiseguys who take part in a murder (if it's even that high a percentage), it's only a very small percentage who actually pull the trigger. A guy may be a lookout, or a driver, or even just take part in the planning. And because he's culpable in the eyes of the law, they consider that enough.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger. I believe Gotti and Ruggerio held McBratney back he was a big strong smelly dude
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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At least 75 percent of wiseguys have never pulled the trigger, and it's always been that way. That has to be the biggest misconception about Mobsters PB. Yeah some have pulled the trigger, but it's definitely not a prerequisite. Making money and kicking up it's probably one of the most important thing. If it was still a perquisite the families would be down to crumbs. It was never the prerequisite. Just think how many bodies would have been on the street if that was the rule.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger. Massino apparently said Gotti was the triggerman in the Vito Borelli hit, who was Paul Castellano's daughter's boyfriend who apparently insulted him by saying Castellano looked like Frank Perdue.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger. I believe Gotti and Ruggerio held McBratney back he was a big strong smelly dude You smelled him?
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Committing a murder to be a made man isn't what is important, after being a good earner its about the willingness to commit a murder. There aren't contracts around for every guy to make his bones, so it isn't possible, its also why (other than to make things go smoothly) they group so many people into one hit like the Mcbrantey killing so each guy can have some level of involvement. Yeah, that's pretty much what I said, NE  . A guy may be a lookout, or a driver, or even just take part in the planning. And because he's culpable in the eyes of the law, they consider that enough. And in this day and age, with the murders being way down, made members who've never even cracked an egg are becoming more and more common  .
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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"Cracked an egg" Haven't heard that in a long while PB! Well, you're one of maybe 5 or 6 members who's even older than I am  .
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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That was 26 years ago! I got underwear older than that! Shoes make a much better metaphor. Your drawers are kinda creepy .
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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I was only born in 88, Jesus you guys are getting pretty old. lol..just kidding.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger.
I've also questioned gotti's personal involvement in a killing. he was a tough guy and definetly ordered many murders but i still am nto sure if he actually pulled the trigger. McBratney was shot by ralph galione and was held back by ruggiero and gotti so he got credit for the murder. Joe Massino "claims" gotti murdered vito borelli but i think massino was talking out of his ass, first of all gotti was probably in jail/on the run at that point in 1975 and secondly i doubt paul would give it to him anyway since gotti wanst even made at that point. Tommy desimone was murdered by Tommy Agro although im sure gotti was involved in the planning since he hated tommy and he was acting capo of teh ebrgin at that point. Anthony Plate was ordered killed by Neil and from what i ahve read willie boy angelo and gotti went down to florida to take care of it. So gotti possibly was involved but more than likely willie boy and angelo took care of it. Now John Favara is another possibility. We have all heard rumors he cut him up with a chainsaw but more than likely angelo,anthony rampino,and the carneglia brothers took care of it since gotti was in florida at the time to prove his alibi to the police. Now im just speculating but i've read up a lot on gotti and he didnt seem like he was a shooter but he was definetly a guy who got in fistfights a lot in his life Yeah a tough street guy for sure. I read an article recently about Gotti and his so called financial advisor Lewis 'Matzo Boy' Kasman. A Jewish businessman who fell in with the mob. Apparently they became so close that Gotti organised his own funeral through him when he was dying. He states that Gotti accepted that the Favara incident was an accident. He felt forced to act on it, although he'd never admit Kasman thinks that Gotti regretted what happened to Favara.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger.
I've also questioned gotti's personal involvement in a killing. he was a tough guy and definetly ordered many murders but i still am nto sure if he actually pulled the trigger. McBratney was shot by ralph galione and was held back by ruggiero and gotti so he got credit for the murder. Joe Massino "claims" gotti murdered vito borelli but i think massino was talking out of his ass, first of all gotti was probably in jail/on the run at that point in 1975 and secondly i doubt paul would give it to him anyway since gotti wanst even made at that point. Tommy desimone was murdered by Tommy Agro although im sure gotti was involved in the planning since he hated tommy and he was acting capo of teh ebrgin at that point. Anthony Plate was ordered killed by Neil and from what i ahve read willie boy angelo and gotti went down to florida to take care of it. So gotti possibly was involved but more than likely willie boy and angelo took care of it. Now John Favara is another possibility. We have all heard rumors he cut him up with a chainsaw but more than likely angelo,anthony rampino,and the carneglia brothers took care of it since gotti was in florida at the time to prove his alibi to the police. Now im just speculating but i've read up a lot on gotti and he didnt seem like he was a shooter but he was definetly a guy who got in fistfights a lot in his life Yeah a tough street guy for sure. I read an article recently about Gotti and his so called financial advisor Lewis 'Matzo Boy' Kasman. A Jewish businessman who fell with the mob. Apparently they became so close that Gotti organised his own funeral through him when he was dying. He states that Gotti accepted that the Farvara incident was an accident. He felt forced to act on it, Personally i dont buy that he felt it was a "accident" even though it clearly was an accident. I mean the whole gotti family is crazy(even more so the women) and wanted Favara dead.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger.
I've also questioned gotti's personal involvement in a killing. he was a tough guy and definetly ordered many murders but i still am nto sure if he actually pulled the trigger. McBratney was shot by ralph galione and was held back by ruggiero and gotti so he got credit for the murder. Joe Massino "claims" gotti murdered vito borelli but i think massino was talking out of his ass, first of all gotti was probably in jail/on the run at that point in 1975 and secondly i doubt paul would give it to him anyway since gotti wanst even made at that point. Tommy desimone was murdered by Tommy Agro although im sure gotti was involved in the planning since he hated tommy and he was acting capo of teh ebrgin at that point. Anthony Plate was ordered killed by Neil and from what i ahve read willie boy angelo and gotti went down to florida to take care of it. So gotti possibly was involved but more than likely willie boy and angelo took care of it. Now John Favara is another possibility. We have all heard rumors he cut him up with a chainsaw but more than likely angelo,anthony rampino,and the carneglia brothers took care of it since gotti was in florida at the time to prove his alibi to the police. Now im just speculating but i've read up a lot on gotti and he didnt seem like he was a shooter but he was definetly a guy who got in fistfights a lot in his life Yeah a tough street guy for sure. I read an article recently about Gotti and his so called financial advisor Lewis 'Matzo Boy' Kasman. A Jewish businessman who fell with the mob. Apparently they became so close that Gotti organised his own funeral through him when he was dying. He states that Gotti accepted that the Farvara incident was an accident. He felt forced to act on it, Personally i dont buy that he felt it was a "accident" even though it clearly was an accident. I mean the whole gotti family is crazy(even more so the women) and wanted Favara dead. So your think Gotti was under the impression that someone sent a furniture maker to run over his kid? I don't understand what you think he thought happen if it wasn't an "accident" you think Gotti thought it was a hit?
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger.
I've also questioned gotti's personal involvement in a killing. he was a tough guy and definetly ordered many murders but i still am nto sure if he actually pulled the trigger. McBratney was shot by ralph galione and was held back by ruggiero and gotti so he got credit for the murder. Joe Massino "claims" gotti murdered vito borelli but i think massino was talking out of his ass, first of all gotti was probably in jail/on the run at that point in 1975 and secondly i doubt paul would give it to him anyway since gotti wanst even made at that point. Tommy desimone was murdered by Tommy Agro although im sure gotti was involved in the planning since he hated tommy and he was acting capo of teh ebrgin at that point. Anthony Plate was ordered killed by Neil and from what i ahve read willie boy angelo and gotti went down to florida to take care of it. So gotti possibly was involved but more than likely willie boy and angelo took care of it. Now John Favara is another possibility. We have all heard rumors he cut him up with a chainsaw but more than likely angelo,anthony rampino,and the carneglia brothers took care of it since gotti was in florida at the time to prove his alibi to the police. Now im just speculating but i've read up a lot on gotti and he didnt seem like he was a shooter but he was definetly a guy who got in fistfights a lot in his life Yeah a tough street guy for sure. I read an article recently about Gotti and his so called financial advisor Lewis 'Matzo Boy' Kasman. A Jewish businessman who fell with the mob. Apparently they became so close that Gotti organised his own funeral through him when he was dying. He states that Gotti accepted that the Farvara incident was an accident. He felt forced to act on it, Personally i dont buy that he felt it was a "accident" even though it clearly was an accident. I mean the whole gotti family is crazy(even more so the women) and wanted Favara dead. Ya the wife apparently took it very badly and started badgering John about getting back at him. There were stories floating around like Favara not getting his front bumper fixed after the accident. Apparently Victoria (wife) beat him away with a baseball bat when tried to come to the house to pay his respects.
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Re: Wiseguys who never committed a murder.
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Not sure if the purpose for guys to participate in murders was more to do with making sure there were no undercover cops or informants being inducted or to make them look the most ruthless syndicate? I think it serves both purposes. The number one purpose is to make sure cops don't get in. No cop is going to commit a murder or seriously injure someone. The second is to make sure you have killers in your crew when the need arises to whack someone.
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Did John Gotti ever personally kill somebody? He was involved in the McBratney murder but Ralph Galione was the one who pulled the trigger.
I've also questioned gotti's personal involvement in a killing. he was a tough guy and definetly ordered many murders but i still am nto sure if he actually pulled the trigger. McBratney was shot by ralph galione and was held back by ruggiero and gotti so he got credit for the murder. Joe Massino "claims" gotti murdered vito borelli but i think massino was talking out of his ass, first of all gotti was probably in jail/on the run at that point in 1975 and secondly i doubt paul would give it to him anyway since gotti wanst even made at that point. Tommy desimone was murdered by Tommy Agro although im sure gotti was involved in the planning since he hated tommy and he was acting capo of teh ebrgin at that point. Anthony Plate was ordered killed by Neil and from what i ahve read willie boy angelo and gotti went down to florida to take care of it. So gotti possibly was involved but more than likely willie boy and angelo took care of it. Now John Favara is another possibility. We have all heard rumors he cut him up with a chainsaw but more than likely angelo,anthony rampino,and the carneglia brothers took care of it since gotti was in florida at the time to prove his alibi to the police. Now im just speculating but i've read up a lot on gotti and he didnt seem like he was a shooter but he was definetly a guy who got in fistfights a lot in his life Not a Gotti fan, however for him to be that close to Dellacroce there has to be a body somewhere, those guys were no BS holes in the ground all over the city types. And to say well Gotti "made money for the family and got a pass on clipping someone" I wasn't his accountant and I wouldn't have first hand knowledge, I will say Gotti was at best a thug more than a moneymaker. And Dellacroce was a tough guy first, not to say money wasn't important to him, however if you were to be around him you you had to be 100% LCN which at that time said you had to have a corpse somewhere. Was a different time then, murders in the city then were done based upon the person not the crime. Now they have a DNA kit out for every junkie dying with a spike in their arm. Back then most they would have done was put you in a garbage bag and sent you to the cooler till someone if anyone claimed you. And all the names everyone mentioned are retread names, there's hundreds if not thousands of guys around that life back then that disappeared that you never heard of. "Goes with the territory" now every scumbags wife gets a special on the Discovery channel about how great a husband she had, what a good father he was when he wasn't pushing H, scamming or robbing.
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