Hi,

I ask myself: If Capone would stay in New York and not go to Chicago, would he become a Boss of a Family in New York too?

What do you think?

Capone went to Chicago to work with a relative. He was trusted because he was blood. So he had his ear.

I think if Capone stayed in Brooklyn he would have been a soldier and could have become a lot higher then that. He had balls and he had ambition, and he would do anything or he may have got killed before he could become somebody high up.

You should ask a guy named John Binder. You can find him on Facebook . He is an Capone/ chicago outfit expert wrote at least one book on it. He used to be on the history Chanel. He hand an Internet name at one time of Westside jack.

Want real answers ask John.

Had Capone stayed, he definitely would not have rose as fast as he did in Chicago. Remember that in the 1920's, you still had to be full bloodied Sicilian in order to join any New York Mafia family. Capone was a Neapolitan descendant, so he wouldn't have been qualified to join (at least until they loosened the rules). I read somewhere that there were Cammora offshoots in New York at the time. But those groups are more linked by blood so unless Capone was related to someone in there, he probably was barred from joining them too.

Costello was Calabrian and Genovese was Neapolitan. All of the bosses were Sicilian and families like the Bonannos and the Profacis were almost entirely composed of them but the rest of the families had members from mainland Italy. I think at the very least, Capone would have been a capo in some family, probably Luciano's.

Hi, oh thank you very much. I asked him on FB.

I think that Capone and Torrio wouldve go with Luciano...as Snakes said

Capone become Outfit boss in 1925 at the age of 26,because Johnny Torrio isn't tought enought to the gangwar. If Capone and Torrio would had remained in New York,Torio will became a capo for his brain,Capone was smart but also too violent,will be a soldier under Luciano,and maybe a capo,maybe not with Luciano,but maybe under Genovese 'cause both had the same violent temper, and if Capone wasn't go to Alcatraz, maybe he wouldn't die stoned by syphilis.

I don't think Capone would've joined Luciano due to his connections to Frankie Yale. And Luciano was working under Masseria. He would have ended up under Maranzano and probably washed up under Joseph Profaci and become a very powerfull Colombo gangster. And if he did stay in New York, he probably wouldn't have died of syphilis, maybe not even get convicted on tax evasion and certainly not be sentenced to 11 years.

Capone was close to Yale before their falling out.

By falling out you mean Yale ending up dead in his car with multible tommy-gun bullet wounds?

Machinegun Jack (Vincent Gibaldi) was an awesome killer!

Vincent cole used the tommy gun when he invented the drive by

But Gibaldi killed Yale, Cole didn't.

Well, one thing leads to another.

Hard to say, because in NY there is a lot of concurrence beetween the bosses. Plus Capone was just a bootlegger, he had other businesses I know but I don't know if he had a lot of influence of the local unions like the bosses in NY did. He was more a classic gangster than a mafia guy.

I suppose that as long as he was Torrio's protege he would have made it fairly far up the totem pole.

please let us know his repsonse

In NYC I don't think he would have been a boss, too many guys for him to rise above for that spot , capo I'm sure he woulda made no problem

Hi, I think his answer is not a secret:
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Hard to say. Quite often, just like in the corporate world, there is luck and circumstances involved. If Colosimo had not been killed and Torrio wounded so that he stepped aside, Capone might never have become boss in Chicago. And if he stayed in New York, who knows what would have happened there.
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I think had he stayed in NYC he would have been killed.

Yeah. He was way too cocky and media friendly to last in a city like NY, especially in those days.

Was he not run out of New York in the first place.

Yes he fled because Irish gangsters were stronger then he crossed paths a few times with them one slashed his face with a blade that gave him his famous scar, Yale organised him working for torrio in Chicago

True. Didnt he go to Chicago because he caused tensions and he was a liability? Thats why the Jewish mob sent Bugsy out, not because he was smart but because he was a problem

Anastasia was also Calabrian

Capone fled to Chicago because he had to. Police were after him for two murders, and an Irish gang, the White Handers, were hunting him for beating up one of their members. He probably would have been killed or gone to prison had he remained in NY.

Keep in mind that Torrio was no more than a well-connected ward heeler in Brooklyn before he moved to Chicago. There was far more opportunity for non-Sicilians like Torrio and Capone in Chicago than in NY at that time. The Outfit under Torrio and Capone wasn't a Mafia family, and included quite a few well-placed members who weren't even Italian.

I don't understand. Could someone clarify?

Wayne Johnson says the same in his book about the Outfit not being a Mafia family under Torrio and Capone. But it was considered a Mafia family under Ricca, Accardo and Giancana. Why ? Ricca, Accardo and Giancana included non-Italians such as Murray Humphreys and Gus Alex.

The Capone organization was more like a gang.When Nitti and Ricca came to power,it was the Camorra crime syndicate(Al was also a Neapolitan).Accardo,Giancana,Aiuppa and so on...its the Mafia.The Outfit always had non-Italians included as made members,no matter what people say.And also no pricking finger ceremonies included...not until the 70's I think

Capone had a friend from Italian Harlem his name was Agile. I might have missed spelled it. When I was a kid he was already an old man. I liked him he was a grand father kind of a guy to me.

He went to Chicago with Capone. He came back to Harlem before Capone went to Florida. He is the guy that vouched for me to get that 1000 dollar loan from that shy I told you about.

He loved to gamble. When he was not gambling in the gambling house he would get a blow jobs from some of the whores who worked in the place. He would go to the hotels in mid town and try to pick up young women. Talk about and old guy who in his head he was a twenty year old.

He would have definately known for sure who killed Big Jim. Hell maybe he did it.

My friend Johnnie also knew him. I mentioned to him he should write a book about that guy.

He was the oldest of 18 children. Mother kept putting them out with no way to afford them.

Here is how they handled that in the old days. She put him in an orphanage they had them in those days. Until he was old enough to work to help the family. She did the same with all the other kids that she had.

When he made some money. He started to get his other brothers and sisters out of the place.

He had bought NYC taxi medellians when they were ten dollars a piece. He had 150 of them give or take. Later sold them for 150 thousand a piece made a lot of money. They are maybe a million a piece now a rediculas amount of money.

He also owned other small businesses.

Thanks Toodoped.

No problem GaryMartin.The thing is Accardo and Giancana never considered themselves as "the Mafia".They grew up mostly with non-sicilians or non-italians and none of them ever went to Sicily.They didnt have much respect for the old sicilian bosses like the Aiellos or the Gennas.

Turnbull is right,back in the days there was far more opportunities in the underworld for non-Sicilians in Chicago than in NY.So thats why the old Outfit always had a non-sicilian bosses like Torrio,Capone,Nitti,Fischetti's,Ricca...