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new chicago outfit charts 1995-present #768032
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Over the last 5+ years I have searched and researched websites, blogs, newspaper articles, government reports, indictments, books in my own collection and any other source I could find. The results are found in the following charts. I do not consider the information or structure of these charts to be completely accurate but it represents a lot of time and work and I believe it is the most accurate of any online charts or those in other publications. Any and all comments or criticisms are welcome.
www.heisenberg5.wix.com/chicagooutfit

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768039
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This is really great. Thank you, thank you.

Regardless what anyone says or doesn't say, this is really good info and I appreciate the effort put forth to find these charts.

Positive, constructive feedback is always good.

Last edited by GaryMartin; 03/15/14 01:03 AM.
Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: GaryMartin] #768053
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I am on my iPhone so it was a little tough for me to see but very good post.


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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768057
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Great charts! Nice work.

You can Harry Aleman to the improsined list until he died in 2010.

I noticed that you have Nick Calabrese listed as a solider, which i believe is accurate. There has been debate on these boards whether he was made or not made.


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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768059
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Pudgy is not the Cicero capo but overall nice charts

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768060
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Don't forget Bellavia. Also, Cozzo and Ferriola have been released.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: GaryMartin] #768062
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Originally Posted By: GaryMartin

Don't be surprised if someone doesn't reply and say there is something wrong or someone is misplaced . Seems to be a trend on these Outfit threads.

In fairness, he asked for feedback.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: funkster] #768064
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Originally Posted By: funkster
Originally Posted By: GaryMartin

Don't be surprised if someone doesn't reply and say there is something wrong or someone is misplaced . Seems to be a trend on these Outfit threads.

In fairness, he asked for feedback.


And he's getting positive feedback which is good. Proves it is possible on this board. Just a little frustrated about the happenings a few days ago.

Thanks. I'm going to edit my earlier post.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768073
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good charts.thanks


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Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768163
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While there is still debate about the top levels, the crew members and sizes in those charts look pretty correct to me. Thanks for posting.


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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768175
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Isn't "Snooky" dead. Either way these look great and thank you for taking the time.

http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/nwitimes/...mp;preview=True

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I'd put Vena above Spina as Grand Ave. capo. Solly D. or Inendino are more than likely capo of Cicero as opposed to Matassa, but nobody really knows for sure. Also, Tony Dote and Sal Cautadella need to be on there for Elmwood Park and Cicero, respectively. Don Scalise is dead.


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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768181
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And regardless of the fact that he has been shelved for quite some time, Mike Magnafichi needs to go on Elmwood Park's roster for 1995-1999.


"Snakes... Snakes... I don't know no Snakes."
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All in all, great work.


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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768187
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great charts burnsy thank you


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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768196
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What about a range of numbers for associates in each crew? No right or wrong answer, just your thoughts about the number of associates per crew.


Thanks

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768198
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Michael Marcello testified against John Matassa Jr and John Ambrose, so im not sure he'd be welcome back into to the fold. I also think he is released.

http://articles.chicagobreakingnews.com/...holas-calabrese

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when creating charts I also counted associates numbers seemed to average 15-20 close associates for any crew depending on recent indictments/arrests. that average isn't counting people paying street tax or who worked w/ outfit on one time basis.

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Thanks BURNSY.

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Here's more info on the Michael Marcello.

The Chicago Tribune 
April 17, 2009 

Chicago mob-leak trial makes for twisted script 
By John Kass 

www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-17-apr17,0,194400.column 

In the mobster movies, a car pulls up and heavy men in hard shoes get out. 

And in the quiet suburban house, the wiseguy turned government witness stands foolishly in his new kitchen, oblivious in his bathrobe, scratching, boorishly guzzling milk from the carton. 

The guns come up. The milk spills. The feds lose another witness. 

Happily, it didn't happen in real life to Nicholas Calabrese, the Chicago Outfit hit man turned star government witness in the Family Secrets trial that sent mob bosses, soldiers, even a corrupt cop to prison. Calabrese is very much alive. 

Yet in federal court this week, the story of Outfit penetration of witness security is playing out in the case of Deputy U.S. Marshal John Ambrose, accused of leaking sensitive information about Calabrese—including his movements—to Chicago's mob. 

It's a difficult case to prove, since U.S. District Judge John Grady tossed out key evidence on Thursday. He invited an appeal by telling the jury "I made a mistake" in allowing secret prison tapes to be played linking Ambrose's late father, a Chicago cop convicted in the Marquette 10 police drug scandal, with other crooked cops connected to the Outfit. 

Whether Ambrose is found guilty or not, it's obvious that imprisoned Outfit boss Jimmy Marcello and his sleepy brother Michael—who testified in a rumpled orange jumpsuit Thursday—believed they'd cracked the security around Calabrese. 

The Marcellos knew of Calabrese being driven around town to murder locations where he briefed the FBI on unsolved hits that formed the basis of Family Secrets, which sent Jimmy and others to prison for life. They knew Calabrese called his wife from a phone dialed as Ambrose guarded Calabrese. 

The Marcello brothers knew all about it in January 2003, weeks before I revealed in a Feb. 21, 2003, column that Calabrese was talking to the FBI about a series of unsolved homicides—including the murders of Anthony and Michael Spilotro—and that his federal prison records had disappeared. 

Though I'm flattered the Marcellos are loyal readers, and that Ambrose's defense would try to use my column to argue that the leak could have come from just about anywhere, Mickey Marcello testified Thursday that he knew about Calabrese because a law-enforcement source was spilling. 

According to Marcello, a fat reputed Chicago mobster, Johnny "Pudgy" Matassa Jr., would tell him what the source learned. Then Marcello would drive to federal prison to tell Jimmy. Then, unbeknownst to the Marcello brothers, the FBI would tape what they said. 

"John says his source was giving him a list of names," the balding Mickey testified. "... I had John. He had who he had, who I presumed was a law-enforcement officer." 

Matassa and Marcello would meet, but not over checkered tablecloths, candles stuck in bottles of Chianti. 

"One time it was Dunkin' Donuts, various restaurants, places like that," Marcello said. 

He said Matassa told him about others Nick Calabrese was helping the FBI to investigate, including the boss, John "No Nose" DiFronzo—implicated but not charged in the sensational Spilotro murders. And about Anthony "The Trucker" Zizzo, who later disappeared from a Melrose Park restaurant lot and has never been found. 

Mickey Marcello, a font of information, developed a severe case of Fedzheimers when asked about Joe "The Builder" Andriacci, and those two brothers from Bridgeport, Bruno and Frank "Toots" Caruso. Andriacci and the Carusos were not charged. 

"Andriacci. 'The Builder,' " said Ambrose lawyer Frank Lipuma during cross-examination. "Is he a mob boss?" 

"I don't know," Marcello deadpanned. 

"Are you aware of the Carusos who run Chinatown/Bridgeport?" Lipuma asked. 

"No," Marcello said. "I'm not aware of that." 

"Aren't they associated with organized crime?" 

"They know a lot of people," sighed Marcello. "I guess you could say that. That they know a lot of people." 

So do the Marcello brothers. They knew a guy who knew a guy who knew Nick Calabrese was taking the FBI to places where murders were committed. 

That's not Hollywood. 

It's Chicago.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768205
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Here's more info on the Michael Marcello.

The Chicago Tribune 
April 17, 2009 

Chicago mob-leak trial makes for twisted script 
By John Kass 

www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-17-apr17,0,194400.column 

In the mobster movies, a car pulls up and heavy men in hard shoes get out. 

And in the quiet suburban house, the wiseguy turned government witness stands foolishly in his new kitchen, oblivious in his bathrobe, scratching, boorishly guzzling milk from the carton. 

The guns come up. The milk spills. The feds lose another witness. 

Happily, it didn't happen in real life to Nicholas Calabrese, the Chicago Outfit hit man turned star government witness in the Family Secrets trial that sent mob bosses, soldiers, even a corrupt cop to prison. Calabrese is very much alive. 

Yet in federal court this week, the story of Outfit penetration of witness security is playing out in the case of Deputy U.S. Marshal John Ambrose, accused of leaking sensitive information about Calabrese—including his movements—to Chicago's mob. 

It's a difficult case to prove, since U.S. District Judge John Grady tossed out key evidence on Thursday. He invited an appeal by telling the jury "I made a mistake" in allowing secret prison tapes to be played linking Ambrose's late father, a Chicago cop convicted in the Marquette 10 police drug scandal, with other crooked cops connected to the Outfit. 

Whether Ambrose is found guilty or not, it's obvious that imprisoned Outfit boss Jimmy Marcello and his sleepy brother Michael—who testified in a rumpled orange jumpsuit Thursday—believed they'd cracked the security around Calabrese. 

The Marcellos knew of Calabrese being driven around town to murder locations where he briefed the FBI on unsolved hits that formed the basis of Family Secrets, which sent Jimmy and others to prison for life. They knew Calabrese called his wife from a phone dialed as Ambrose guarded Calabrese. 

The Marcello brothers knew all about it in January 2003, weeks before I revealed in a Feb. 21, 2003, column that Calabrese was talking to the FBI about a series of unsolved homicides—including the murders of Anthony and Michael Spilotro—and that his federal prison records had disappeared. 

Though I'm flattered the Marcellos are loyal readers, and that Ambrose's defense would try to use my column to argue that the leak could have come from just about anywhere, Mickey Marcello testified Thursday that he knew about Calabrese because a law-enforcement source was spilling. 

According to Marcello, a fat reputed Chicago mobster, Johnny "Pudgy" Matassa Jr., would tell him what the source learned. Then Marcello would drive to federal prison to tell Jimmy. Then, unbeknownst to the Marcello brothers, the FBI would tape what they said. 

"John says his source was giving him a list of names," the balding Mickey testified. "... I had John. He had who he had, who I presumed was a law-enforcement officer." 

Matassa and Marcello would meet, but not over checkered tablecloths, candles stuck in bottles of Chianti. 

"One time it was Dunkin' Donuts, various restaurants, places like that," Marcello said. 

He said Matassa told him about others Nick Calabrese was helping the FBI to investigate, including the boss, John "No Nose" DiFronzo—implicated but not charged in the sensational Spilotro murders. And about Anthony "The Trucker" Zizzo, who later disappeared from a Melrose Park restaurant lot and has never been found. 

Mickey Marcello, a font of information, developed a severe case of Fedzheimers when asked about Joe "The Builder" Andriacci, and those two brothers from Bridgeport, Bruno and Frank "Toots" Caruso. Andriacci and the Carusos were not charged. 

"Andriacci. 'The Builder,' " said Ambrose lawyer Frank Lipuma during cross-examination. "Is he a mob boss?" 

"I don't know," Marcello deadpanned. 

"Are you aware of the Carusos who run Chinatown/Bridgeport?" Lipuma asked. 

"No," Marcello said. "I'm not aware of that." 

"Aren't they associated with organized crime?" 

"They know a lot of people," sighed Marcello. "I guess you could say that. That they know a lot of people." 

So do the Marcello brothers. They knew a guy who knew a guy who knew Nick Calabrese was taking the FBI to places where murders were committed. 

That's not Hollywood. 

It's Chicago.

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did not list associates on list which I believe aleman was.tried to only show made members.

Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: BURNSY] #768246
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Even though he's been ignored by the Outfit for a long time, I believe Mike Magnafichi is a made member who was with Elmwood Park. There has also been debate about Joe Lombardo. The feds charged him as the capo of the Grand Avenue Crew, not as the consigliere.

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Lombardo was not a capo at the time of Family Secrets but he no doubt still held sway over Grand Ave. He was pretty much in a retired advisory role, a la Accardo. Although rest assured if Lombardo said "jump", Grand Ave. would still ask "how high?"

I am not sure that Mickey Marcello would really be black balled for what he said. Matassa didn't even get charged with anything and they've known each other literally since they were kids.


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I wouldn't entirely dismiss Aleman as not made. He was Joe Nick's nephew and did a ton of heavy work for the Outfit in the seventies and eighties and was half-Italian. I could see a concession being made for him. Marcello got in, albeit with an Italian father (Aleman's was Hispanic) which is oftentimes the deal breaker for mixed guys.


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Re: new chicago outfit charts 1995-present [Re: SgWaue86] #768250
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Wait Michael Marcello ratted ? Geez I totally missed that one

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Well, he just said that he got some information from Matassa who got some intel from a law enforcement connect. If I had to guess, Mickey was given permission to testify against Ambrose to possibly get his sentence reduced. Matassa was in no danger as it isn't against the law to tell somebody something a crooked lawmen told you (unless bribery was uncovered). Mickey gave up no other information and played dumb when asked about Joey A and Toots Caruso.


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Interesting and thanks for the info

From my understanding he was pretty much legit in the outfit eyes but whether he got the ok or not my guess is he was completely shelved post FS, too much risk and who knows what he said off their record .

Curious how this would affect James as Michael is a guy who could probably continue as his money agent on the outside , sharking decisions/ collection and what not . James I hear was a real earner

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Mickey was not a real heavy guy in the Outfit anyways. He mainly just stuck with the poker machines. His activity was going to decrease anyway with his brother being locked up for life.


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Understood but i suspect his retirement would affect James influence on the outside.

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