Right I was talking prior to Sam taking over & elmwood park

I know. I was trying to lay it out for SgWau86. I don't want him to think the whole fucking Outfit was Taylor St.

The other men were already in place and were Bosses in their own right. They weren't put there by Giancana. This was when the Outfit had real power and was untouchable. They made the White House even nervous. (Bobby Kennedy)
They were allied with the Genovese Family in New York.

Gotchya

Off topic, but how would you rate Aiuppa as a boss? I've come to be more interested in hearing about him over the years. Seems like he was one of the more feared/respected bosses in the history of American OC.

He was a very good Boss. His men did very well that personally belonged to him.
However, He wasn't really the Boss all by himself. He had Accardo and Cerone. You really have to include those two when you're talking about him.
Chicago was never a dictatorship.

Anyone know if Chuckie English's brother Sam "Butch" was a made man?

Would anyone know if the below were made?
Sam "Butch" English (a Chuckie English's brother)
Carlo Urbanitti
Carlo's son Robert "Bobby U" ( I am thinking No on this one but thought I'd ask)

Thanks!!

I don't think Carl Urbaniti was ever made. He was a Grand Avenue burglar who worked for Spilotro and spent a lot of time in Vegas. His son Robert or "Bobby" probably isn't made either, but he was a conduit for Anthony Centracchio. Didn't he get busted running a massage parlor recently?

The Urbaniti's are related through marriage to the Marcello's and the broader English/Santura family right? I feel like Bobby is a cousin to the Marcello's and I know the Marcello's are related to Chuckie English.

I have no idea about Sam English.

Pretty sure Sam English was made as he is identified by CI's as an Outfit member in several FBI reports and memorandums (for what it's worth) but he wasn't as heavy as Chuckie obviously.

I highly doubt the Urbanitis were/are made.

Thanks. Sam died relatively young of a heart attack so I haven't been able to find a lot of info on him.

Bobby use to be a cop so I figured he was never made.

Bobby use to be a cop so I won't be surprised if he isn't made. I know Carlo was married to Grace who was Chuckie and Sam's sister.

Although I thought that the Marcello was related through marriage through the Urbaniti side and not the English.

I've never heard of the Santura family how are they related to the English's?

Anyone know anything about Jack " Jelly Bean" Silva?

He is mentioned briefly in the Mad Sam DeStefano book, so just curious if anyone knows any more about him or where I may find additional info.

That may be right...I think Mickey Marcello's mother is an Urbanati and he was considered Chuckie's nephew. I would assume Jimmy was considered such too. Chuckie's daughter "Chickie" married Tommy Santura.

The Outfit isn't like New York where they don't make cops...a ton of various made members were cops or even politicians at one point or another -- Gattuso, Matassa Sr., Henry Pilotto, etc.

Ricky Borelli was/is pretty high up there too wasn't he? Marco's cousin as I recall...was he made? He was a Chicago vice cop if I remember correctly. He still alive?

Don't know but he figured prominently in When Corruption Was King.

I don't know whether Borelli was made, but doubt it. He's in his 80s at this point. I don't think many of Marco's early associates beyond Bobby A continued with the Outfit after they were busted. Rickey was just a bookie as were most of his other guys. He didn't even go to prison. The Dote's are obviously still involved.

Bobby and those guys still hang out at Marco's beef place near Fullerton & Austin. Anyone around Marco is likely stopping by there on a regular basis.

I've ridden my bike by there 100 times and wondered if that was his. Guess question answered.

Hows the beef there?

After I posted that I remembered the Outfit was different. I'm ashamed of myself, I know better

Anyone know if Chuckie English's other brothers were involved in the mob?

Sam is the only other brother of Chuckie's that was made, and I think there was another brother that was only an associate.

Hi all,

Another question about the English's that I am hoping someone would be able to answer.

In the Mafia Encyclopedia by Carl Stikas ( spelling is wrong I'm sure), he mentions that Chuckie was arrested for suspicion for murder. Does anyone know what murder this is referring to? I have not see it in the many items I have read.

Thank you!

I'm not sure about being arrested, but he was questioned about the murder of Giancana. He was a Giancana loyalist, but was still questioned; so was Butch Blasi. Nothing came out of the interrogation. I'll see if I can find anything about English being questioned regarding a murder.

what a great thread, what great posts, ive read all 5 pages.just a quick sentence or two. im sure you have all read brashlers "the don" about giancana, he mentions giancanas killing and traces it to butch blasi,blasi being the last to see him alive, also, in jimmy frattianos book, he and johnny roselli are discussing sams death, roselli says to frattiano, "butch killed sam is that what sam gets for knowing butch 40 years" I think for all ive read you can assume butch blasi nurdered giancana.

Here's a newspaper account of Giancana's murder:

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1975/06/21/page/1/article/cops-watching-home-night-giancana-slain

Yeah I've been questioned and subpoenaed for murder the nut job tried to say I did it. I was also once charged once with attempted murder which was knocked down to AA

Thank you!