Just Curious. The Powerhouse Genovese Family was always allied with the Outfit in the past. When Gotti killed Castellano, I remember being told two Genovese men came to Chicago to discuss what happened in New York. Gigante was really upset about what happened to Big Paul. He HATED Gotti. Gigante was behind the revenge bombings that took place afterward. Luckily for Gotti, he was not in the car.
I do not know If Chicago knew about Gigante's plan for revenge against Gotti, But I would bet on it.

I believe Cirillo replaced Gigante, but again I am no expert on New York. Just curious what anybody has to say about Cirillo.

He was a drug dealer back in the fifties, then during gigantes reign he was said to be his messenger, your right after gigante went to prison he became acting boss but he steped down after he had a heart attack.

When Gigante was indicted in 1990, Bellomo was made acting boss. Following Gigante's conviction and Bellomo taking a plea deal, Cirillo then became acting boss in 1997.

I've read Cirillo oversaw the Gigante crew's loanshark book. Loansharking was among the charges he was indicted with in 2005. At times he's also represented the Genovese family's interests with certain Carpenters and Laborers locals. Interestingly, it was reported in 2012 that Cirillo and others had been extorting Sbarro's restaurant chain for years.

Really Sbarro? Never knew that. Was that the first time the mob extorted a chain? There pizza is really good for fast food.

Well i believe they started extorting it when it was just a mom and pop store

He is one of the top guys today! dont be fooled, the chin still runs that family! Hes a multimillionaire. Hes probly one of the richest guys in that family, next to barney or eddie m. Hes got a pretty big crew these days. He took over a peice of a big sports crew in jersey. Runs it out of rutherford, the bar near the river..., for those of u that know.... he runs garbage in jersey with the guys down neck....Only essex is off limits to him.... He runs the garbage in bergen, passaic, hudson, monmouth, morris, warren, e penn..... hes fuckin huge. He was a partner in a book that was taken down about 36 months ago.... "the eagle".... enough said.... Only barney, charlie, and mario are richer than this guy... Hes still big in the shy biz.... Hes whaty they call a shylocks shylock... He is the bankroll for a lot of guys shy biz... A lot of guys who are capos now come from his crew and still he has influence over.... Danny P, Rudy, Elizabeth street, president st.... Hes got a guy who runs all his shit with some EH guys as far as numbers/cards goes.... Big machine route, LI, BX, NJ, yonkers..... Hes big into the contractors. Hes got several union go to guys under him.... Allied trades?? He wont have any problems with those guys lol, that may be and understatement.... Hes a partner in the container repair industry, the food service industry.... HES HUGE. But still.... hes not the boss.

And yes, sponsered some BIG dope guys....

Calabrese Sr. should have been more like Crillo was with his son Nick.

Dom never hit his son.... Vinny hit that shit with js and aa on the sneak.

Oh I thought he would have had to ok

He would USUALLY... But no one questioned it after he did what he did... Vinny did it, and there were no inquiries made, as the expression goes.

Are you referring to BetEagle? (the site more recently connected to LaScala)?



And that would be...?

u think the little guy can finance that one his own???

sorry ivy internet omerta bro, u know wat it is nigga

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Although there is evidence to suggest otherwise.

The court heard a conversation in January 2005 between Massino and Vincent Basciano, or 'Vinny Gorgeous', the father of the gangster Nicholas was said to have rowed with in the Bronx.

Massino secretly recorded the discussion for the police.

When asked who 'whacked' the mobster's son, Nicholas, Basciano can be heard saying: 'That came from Dom, that came from Dom.'

When pressed in court by prosecutor Taryn Merkl to explain the comments, Massino said: 'I understand that he's telling me Quiet Dom killed his son.'

The footage also shows Massino gesturing with his hand like a gun while asking Basciano: 'Do we have anything to do with that [Nicholas Cirillo's murder]?'

Basciano replies: 'Absolutely not. C'mon.'

Basciano is then heard telling Massino that he met with Dominick Cirillo about the altercation with Nicholas. He said the Genovese family 'came back and apologised to me.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...l#ixzz2Zv2nQEM6

Personally Im more inclined to go with the above as hitting Quiet Doms kid without his permission by Vinny is a HUGE risk.

Vinny's not that stupid to fuck with the Westside. And Quiet Dom's kid disappearing weeks after the run in? Thats not a sneak job. The Westside would hardly have had to look far.

And hitting Doms kid without his permission, infraction or no, would HAVE to call for retribution.

Sonny we've literally had this discussion a million times. Not trying to be a dick, but PB and Skinny have explained it before, you can choose to believe whatever but fact is it's a worn out topic.

Just saying there is two sides.

Not that familiar with NYC, is this common? Sending capable soldiers from one crew to become capo's of others? Or is his crew that strong and full of capable soldiers that it's done because they can?

Thanks.

It's not uncommon. Crews break off from other crews. Others get disbanded and guys go with other crews. For example, the Gigante crew was split between Cirillo and Mario Gigante. Fritzy Giovanelli's crew later broke off from Cirillo. Jiggs Forlano's crew split between Charlie Panarella and John Brancato. And Panarella's crew was later split between Bill Cutolo and Joel Cacace. The Catena crew was split between Louis Gatto and Tino Fiumara.

Skinn. What kinda points does a shy's shy run over there? Point? Point and a half?

Yes. I think the saying is "You teach them how to walk, then you lose them"..... Refering to proposing someone..... Mostly today captains sponsor guys unless they are relatives. If you propose a guy, you lose that income stream, but you have a guy who owes you til the day he dies. Or the day you fuck up and you have to die. Whichever comes first.

Ya a point or so on backing other shys. If its a direct loan, maybe 2. Depends on how greedy the fucker is.

Yeah but its gotta be better odds of collecting from a shy than some deadbeat no?

thats a hell of a lot of garbage, basically all of north jersey, he must be running the whole show garbage wise in north jersey.. no lucchesse guys? never heard of ninni, crincoli, dentico, devita etc in garbage... my understanding is that jersey garbage got a lot harder for wise guys to infiltrate the last couple of years

That's true, but the regulations in Jersey are still easier to beat than in New York where they're getting impossible. Especially the recycling end of the business .

But to be perfectly honest, it's only a matter of time before the government tightens up the regulations on that side of the bridge, too. But in the meantime, half-a-dozen or so guys are cutting up a fortune in paper contracts. Same handful of guys who were getting rich from garbage twenty years ago are staying rich in recycling today. That old saying money goes to money?

It's even truer in the street than it is in legitimate business.

Devita runs a good bit of waste in essex co... He took over Andy Gs biz. Larry Fab has MAJOR pull in hudson county, hes into it to an extent. So is Mike. Not crincoli. Hes a street guy. Beechs crew is into Garbage too.