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Re: Tessio Always Smarter?
[Re: dontomasso]
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06/26/13 04:04 PM
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I agree FS, but something happened to Michael after the incident with McCluskey. He told Vito he was now "with him" which of course was both a physical fact and a metaphor, but then the following day I think he saw the way Sonny and Tom were running things, and he realized they both didn't get it. Thats when he announced the plan to "kill them both." After everyone had a god laugh, he took apart Sonny's argument and then Ton's argument, and he found an ally in Clemenza (the smart one) who said "Mikey's right." He seemed a transformed man who knoew he was destined to lead the family. I don't see it that way. I think Michael stepped up because he knew it had to be done to protect his father. It was going to be a one and done event. He knew he would have to go away and leave his lover and it would be a while before he would be home. When he killed you could tell on his face that he wasn't the killer type. He left and went to Itlay and almost became a normal life once again, Still guarded but a more normal style. Normal enough to fall in love and get married. Without any other family members there I may add. It wasn't until Sonny is reported killed that he is pulled back into the life not by choice, but knowing there was no one else to step up with Sonny gone. His father once again needed him. His family needed him. It was what changed him and then he started getting that wild mind of his working. And look what it did to him.
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Re: Tessio Always Smarter?
[Re: dontomasso]
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06/26/13 04:53 PM
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Getting back to the original topic, the writers put some nonsensical words in Michael's mouth at the end of GF, and these are among them.
Describing Tessio as smart for signing his own death warrant by falling into Michael's trap is like calling Vito smart for sending Luca to the Tattaglias.
A smarter person would have seen Michael's talent and intelligence after he figured out the right way to kill Sollozzo. A smarter person would never have believed that Michael would really make Carlo his right-hand man. A smarter person might have listened to Michael when he told the capos that negotiations were under way to solve all their problems and answer all their questions. A smarter person would have thought twice about approaching Michael with a fake meeting shortly after expressing doubts about the future of the Corleone Family - in front of Michael, no less.
Maybe Clemenza was dumber, but Tessio was hardly smart.
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Re: Tessio Always Smarter?
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06/28/13 03:01 AM
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The Last Woltz, I agree with your assessment of Tessio. Tessio wasn't smart at all. He wasn't even a convincing liar. When he says to Micheal "The meeting will be in Brooklyn, on my turf, where you'll be safe", He doesn't even sound sincere at all. Then, he goes right over to Barzini and tells him right in front of Micheal. No, Tessio was more AMBITIOUS than Clemenza, but not smarter. Anyway, look who got discovered and then killed, Tessio, not Clemenza.
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Re: Tessio Always Smarter?
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06/28/13 01:34 PM
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When Michael said "Tessio was always smarter" was that Tessio was able to recognize change quicker than Clemenza. Clemenza was a drunk. It was he that allowed that little greedy runt Paulie to call in sick giving the Tattaglias the opening they needed to shoot at V Corleone. Clemenza had a heart, meaning he believed Hitler should have been stopped before 1939 but he was not able to see that people were looking to kill Vito in order to bring in their narcotics (opium/heroin) supplied to numb the pain associated with death. Vito sent Luca to the Tattaglias because Luca was dispensable. If you read the novel Luca Brazi was a stone cold sociopathic killer who was suicidal and didn't want his bad gene's to be passed down to a child which is why he had the "prostitute" killed for having his baby.
Clemenza was exonerated for Paulie's misdeeds. And he does tell Sonny that he had asked Fredo whether he should switch bodyguards, and Fredo told him not to. Why do you think he's a drunk? As for Luca, he was hardly "dispensable." In the novel his unique skills are made even more clear. The negatives you cite made him all the more suited for his role. Even in the movie, Sonny mentions that the Family would be in a lot of trouble if Luca sells out.
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Re: Tessio Always Smarter?
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06/28/13 04:40 PM
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paprincess referred to Clemenza as a drunk in the post I quoted above.
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Re: Tessio Always Smarter?
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07/05/13 09:00 AM
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at Connie's wedding, paulie revealed he was greedy when he commented on the money envelopes and said "marrone if this was anybody else's wedding to clemenza, clemenza was too busy dancing and drinking wine to notice paulie could be bribed to call in sick, which he did, which gave the turk the opportunity to gun down the godfather...
Watch the scene again. Paulie does not say that to Clemenza. He just mutters it to himself. Clemenza's nowhere to be seen. That may be foreshadowing to the audience, but not to Clemenza, drunk or not.
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Re: Tessio Always Smarter?
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[/quote] I think Sonny would of been better as Michael's underboss, his temper would keep the troops in line and if Michael handed down a hit order Sonny'd be best to carry it out, that being said though I don't think the baptism hit would of went down as well if Sonny was around. [/quote]
I beg to differ. Yes, we can imagine and fabricate all day, but Michael HAD TO BE the family Savior. Plus, I think it would be the opposite...Sonny could not be controlled...that was evident. If anything, if Sonny had lived, no one would have taken that crown from him.
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Re: Tessio Always Smarter?
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12/31/13 08:03 PM
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I believe the novel mentions that Tessio was more cunning than Clemenza (who was more direct and brutal; I believe the novel also mentions that Clemenza didn't like guns and preferred the garrote). The original reason why Tessio and Clemenza were split up is so they couldn't conspire against Vito but also there was a line mentioning that many families thought Tessio was acting on his own and wasn't affiliated with the Corleones.
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