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Martin Scorsese Vs Francis Ford Coppola #717881
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Who is a better director, Godfather director Francis Ford Coppola, or Goodfellas director Martin Scorsese.

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Scorsese all the way

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My vote goes to Scorsese because the only good movies that come to my mind when I think Coppola are The Godfather Part 1, Part 2, and Apocalypse Now, while when I think of Scorsese I think of Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Casino, King of Comedy, and Goodfellas of course.

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Gotta go with Marty on this one. Color of Money, Last Temptation of Christ, Gangs of New York, The Departed, The Aviator, Shine a Light(Stones Concert),plus his involvement in Boardwalk Empire.If you go to the Wikipedia page on both FFC and Scorsese, you'll find a lot of cool stuff on both,but if you have to pick one as the all time champ,it's Scorsese,no contest. Of course that's only my opinion, but hey, that's what we do here.

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Scorsese hands down. I could name a dozen great films of his but only a hand full for FFC..


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Definitely Scorcese i honestly don't think i've seen a bad film of his even though i've seen the majority of his films my personal favourites of his are Taxi Driver,Goodfellas,Casino and The King of Comedy. I do really like FFC but i don't think he's matched his 70s films The Godfather 1 and 2 and Apocalypse Now the only films since i've enjoyed from him are Dracula and GF 3.

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Scorsese has a higher, more consistent percentage of excellent films. But Coppola showed more creative genius in the GF Trilogy and Apocalypse Now (and Redux).


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Your name is is Scorsese and you vote Coppola?

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godfather part 3 was the greatest movie ever made.

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Originally Posted By: Scorsese
godfather part 3 was the greatest movie ever made.


Part 4 was better..


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Coppola. No one could have made the Godfather the great movie it was but him.
If we consider other films, Apocalypse Now and The Conversation are both classics.
Coppola can't even be imitated.

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Both are among the greatest directors, but for me what determines who's the best is not the number of good films they made, but the quality of their best works. And since I prefer the first two Godfather films as well as Apocalypse Now above any of Scorcese's films, the obvious choice for me is Coppola. But Scorsese comes very close.

I still think that if there's to be another and final Godfather film, it should be produced by Coppola and directed by Scorcese. In fact, this was Coppola's plan with Part II, but the studio insisted that he would direct that film.


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Was interesting that Coppola originally wanted Scorsese to direct The Godfather Pt. 2.

Stylistically, Scorsese sort of seems like a less compelling version of Bava.

Coppola seems more a story-teller, whereas Scorsese always reminds me more of a technician.

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70s Coppola > 70s Scorsese
80s Coppola < 80s Scorsese
90s Coppola < 90s Scorsese

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Wtf has happened to FFC since the 70s i mean Peggy Sue Got Married,Twixt,Jack are you kidding me lol. The only Scorcese movie i've not enjoyed is New York, New York.

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While Scorcese never matched GF1 or 2, he had many more great films than FFC did.

Plus he's going to be buried about a block away from where my parents live at Moravian Cemetery


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I think the reason The Godfather is the masterpiece it is is because it's essentially one long, nostalgic home movie, whereas Goodfellas comes across more as movie made by someone looking in on rather than looking out from, if that makes sense.

Also, I think Willis' cinematography in The Godfather ranks as one of the very highest achievements in the visual arts.

Another thing is that Scorsese really makes makes small pictures, meaning his films, at least his great films, are, more often than not, very controlled character studies focusing on a relatively small number of on-screen characters. Coppola's great films, by contrast, are much more operatic/grander in scale and scope.

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Originally Posted By: Sonny_Black
Both are among the greatest directors, but for me what determines who's the best is not the number of good films they made, but the quality of their best works. And since I prefer the first two Godfather films as well as Apocalypse Now above any of Scorcese's films, the obvious choice for me is Coppola. But Scorsese comes very close.

I take the opposite view. There are so many factors into a great movie from directing, to writing, to acting and so forth. So showing great consistency regardless of the project determines how great a director is for me. That goes to Scorcese.


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I give four 10/10s to Coppola and one 9/10 to Scorsese.


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Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
I give four 10/10s to Coppola and one 9/10 to Scorsese.

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The four films Coppola directed in the 1970s - the two Godfather films, The Conversation, Apocalypse Now - are all among my favourite films. They never fail to dazzle in some way.

I think Scorsese's best film is The King of Comedy. He's made a few greats - Raging Bull, Mean Streets, Taxi Driver and GoodFellas chief among them - but I see him more as a technically gifted storyteller; I no longer view him (if I ever did) as a brilliant artist. The last great film he made was The Age of Innocence, twenty years ago.

For whatever reason, though, Coppola has seemingly been unable to put out anything other than junk for three decades. And Sofia's as terrible a filmmaker as she was an actress. frown

I admire and appreciate what Scorsese's doing for film preservation and history, and for his undimming enthusiasm and support for emerging artists.


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Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
The last great film he made was The Age of Innocence, twenty years ago.
Actually, this isn't true. I love his Dylan documentary and his Blues documentary.

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I think Scorsese made the George Harrison life story as well. well worth seeing if you like the Beatles or Harrison..


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One of Scorsese's greatest talents is his way of filming scenes in which everything that unfolds seems so natural--and even unscripted--particularly in "Mean Streets," "Raging Bull" and "Goodfellas." You get the feeling of being a fly on the wall in real life.

One of my favorites is the scene, early on in "Mean Streets," in which Charlie chides Johnny Boy in the back of Tony's bar for not making his payments to Michael. That's the scene where Johnny Boy says of the two gals waiting for them at the bar, "Is he the one on your left, or on my left?" Or, "Joey Clams is Joey Scal--they're the same guy." Perfect! It turns out that every word in that all-time great scene was scripted.


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This isn't even a question. Coppola is defined by 2 movies. GF 1 and GF2. Scorsese has way more classics than Coppola. Coppola has always been overrated in my mind because of the godfather trilogy. He's still one of the greats though.

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A push for me. Coppola 70's. Scorsese 80's. Coppola 90's. Scorsese 2000's.


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to some extent it is apples and oranges. Scorsece is way more prolific than Coppola.


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Originally Posted By: Capo de La Cosa Nostra
And Sofia's as terrible a filmmaker as she was an actress. frown



I thought Lost in Translation was brilliant.

Also Scorsese scored big time in Wolf of Wall Street.


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Originally Posted By: Revis_Island
This isn't even a question. Coppola is defined by 2 movies. GF 1 and GF2. Scorsese has way more classics than Coppola. Coppola has always been overrated in my mind because of the godfather trilogy. He's still one of the greats though.


Coppola is also defined by Apocalypse Now many people would say that's his masterpiece, also The Conversation which i'm not a fan of but it is critically acclaimed. The only FFC films i'm a fan of other than the 3 GF and AN are, Dracula and The Outsiders.


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