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Anyone got any ?

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Yakuza ,triads ,russian oc ,polish oc, irish oc, greek oc

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All of the above that nickyeyes mentioned and also outlaw motorcycle gangs and the major prison gangs.


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You can add the Balkan criminal enterprises, especially the Albanians. Increasingly, Asian criminal enterprises are not directly related to the traditional Triads. The Yakuza has relatively little presence in the U.S. Of course "Russian" criminal enterprises is often an umbrella term to refer to all Eurasian groups, i.e. both Russian and Eastern European. There's also Nigerian and Middle Eastern criminal enterprises.

You'll notice I'm using the term "criminal enterprises," as opposed to "organized crime." Even though these terms can often be used interchangeably, the FBI also differentiates between them a lot; especially when comparing La Cosa Nostra to the newer ethnic groups.

And let's not forget all the Mexican and South American drug groups. Colombians, Mexicans, Dominicans, Cubans, etc. They're often categorized differently, because they're usually involved only in drugs for the most part, but there's no denying they are also organized crime.

I should also add that even some black and Hispanic street gangs have become sophisticated enough, at times, to warrant the label "organized crime" or "criminal enterprise." It's why the Justice Department combined it's OC and Gang unit a while back.

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
You can add the Balkan criminal enterprises, especially the Albanians. Increasingly, Asian criminal enterprises are not directly related to the traditional Triads. The Yakuza has relatively little presence in the U.S. Of course "Russian" criminal enterprises is often an umbrella term to refer to all Eurasian groups, i.e. both Russian and Eastern European. There's also Nigerian and Middle Eastern criminal enterprises.

You'll notice I'm using the term "criminal enterprises," as opposed to "organized crime." Even though these terms can often be used interchangeably, the FBI also differentiates between them a lot; especially when comparing La Cosa Nostra to the newer ethnic groups.

And let's not forget all the Mexican and South American drug groups. Colombians, Mexicans, Dominicans, Cubans, etc. They're often categorized differently, because they're usually involved only in drugs for the most part, but there's no denying they are also organized crime.

I should also add that even some black and Hispanic street gangs have become sophisticated enough, at times, to warrant the label "organized crime" or "criminal enterprise." It's why the Justice Department combined it's OC and Gang unit a while back.



you're about 30 years late on that one

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
you're about 30 years late on that one


The fact that you and Ivy don't agree on the current state of the Chicago Outfit doesn't allow you to childishly attempt to argue every time he says something.

If you have to turn every thread into some boxing ring...stick to the Outift's ones: no one really cares about those anyway...

And no...30 years ago African-American and Hispanic street gangs were not yet labelled as such. Even if few (really, really few) could have.

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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
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Polish OC? I don't think they are really all that powerful. At least not in the US.
In Europe there were the Pruszkow and Wolomin crime groups at the beginning of the 90s. Nowadays Polish OC is far from noticable.
Out of the crime groups you mentioned the Greeks in my opinion are the sneakiest of them all. You rarely hear something about them, but anywhere where a Greek immigrant neighborhood is located there's gambling- and drug-based (mainly meth, but also cocaine) organized crime.

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You also have the Armenians who aren't that big in the east but have a considerable criminal element out in Southern California where they are plentiful, they have everything ranging from youth street gangs up to more hierchal OC like groups and from what I can tell and I may get some flack for this, is that they fill the "Niche" that Italians fill in other areas of the country but to a far lesser extent, more or less meaning there the dominant white crime group out there

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Originally Posted By: cookcounty
you're about 30 years late on that one


My post was referring to whether the feds label them organized crime, not whether I do.

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You also have the Armenians who aren't that big in the east but have a considerable criminal element out in Southern California where they are plentiful, they have everything ranging from youth street gangs up to more hierchal OC like groups and from what I can tell and I may get some flack for this, is that they fill the "Niche" that Italians fill in other areas of the country but to a far lesser extent, more or less meaning there the dominant white crime group out there


Armenians would fall under Eurasian OC.


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Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Yakuza ,triads ,russian oc ,polish oc, irish oc, greek oc


Polish OC? I don't think they are really all that powerful. At least not in the US.
In Europe there were the Pruszkow and Wolomin crime groups at the beginning of the 90s. Nowadays Polish OC is far from noticable.
Out of the crime groups you mentioned the Greeks in my opinion are the sneakiest of them all. You rarely hear something about them, but anywhere where a Greek immigrant neighborhood is located there's gambling- and drug-based (mainly meth, but also cocaine) organized crime.
Originally Posted By: TheKillingJoke
Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
Yakuza ,triads ,russian oc ,polish oc, irish oc, greek oc


Polish OC? I don't think they are really all that powerful. At least not in the US.
In Europe there were the Pruszkow and Wolomin crime groups at the beginning of the 90s. Nowadays Polish OC is far from noticable.
Out of the crime groups you mentioned the Greeks in my opinion are the sneakiest of them all. You rarely hear something about them, but anywhere where a Greek immigrant neighborhood is located there's gambling- and drug-based (mainly meth, but also cocaine) organized crime.


I read online that there is polish oc in greenpoint, Brooklyn. They are called greenpoint crew. I agree with you aboit about the greeka. Does anyone here know about greek oc? I read there was in nyc and philly but I'm not sure it it's true.

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You can add the Balkan criminal enterprises, especially the Albanians. Increasingly, Asian criminal enterprises are not directly related to the traditional Triads. The Yakuza has relatively little presence in the U.S. Of course "Russian" criminal enterprises is often an umbrella term to refer to all Eurasian groups, i.e. both Russian and Eastern European. There's also Nigerian and Middle Eastern criminal enterprises.

You'll notice I'm using the term "criminal enterprises," as opposed to "organized crime." Even though these terms can often be used interchangeably, the FBI also differentiates between them a lot; especially when comparing La Cosa Nostra to the newer ethnic groups.

And let's not forget all the Mexican and South American drug groups. Colombians, Mexicans, Dominicans, Cubans, etc. They're often categorized differently, because they're usually involved only in drugs for the most part, but there's no denying they are also organized crime.

I should also add that even some black and Hispanic street gangs have become sophisticated enough, at times, to warrant the label "organized crime" or "criminal enterprise." It's why the Justice Department combined it's OC and Gang unit a while back.



you're about 30 years late on that one


Under the leadership of guys like larry hoover, jeff fort and willie lloyd the chicago gangs were organised crime with a chain of command and roles.Things are alot more fragmented these days however if your still managing to pull in 50,000 to 100,000 grand a week off of your drug trade and be fighting with rivals at the same time then i guess you could be considered organised crime, you even have 15 year olds running 15-30 grand spots in chicago. Also many recent cases such as the black guerilla family in baltimore and also if you remembered jimmy rosemonds drug case where he was being supplied by members of the bloods and crips in LA which shows that there is some form of structure perhaps a loose one that arranges for large-scale drug trafficking and dealing across the country. Along side that many of the street gangs are engaging in sex trafficking and fraud.

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I would also say in Southern California, The Armenians and maybe even Russians to a lesser extent are the dominant white crime group operating out there. The Italians really have no presence out there. If anybody could answer the question, Where are the Italian mobs crews outside of the hot spots like NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago, Miami, but is there anywhere else?


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I would also say in Southern California, The Armenians and maybe even Russians to a lesser extent are the dominant white crime group operating out there. The Italians really have no presence out there. If anybody could answer the question, Where are the Italian mobs crews outside of the hot spots like NY, NJ, Philly, Chicago, Miami, but is there anywhere else?
The short answer is yes,

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I dont know whether you can say they have that much of a prescense in chicago either these days.Russians definatley seem to have a major prescence in miami. As far as white groups go you also got bikers and white supremacist gangs in california. To answer your question if theres not a strong italian population in an area then its unlikely that a lcn family will spring up there.

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.Russians definatley seem to have a major prescence in miami.
if i remember correctly, somewhat recently the fbi labeled the russians as more of a priority/more entrenched in miami/south florida than lcn. while brighton beach has generally always been considered the epicenter of russian OC in the US, it seems like south florida, if it hasn't already, will overtake that spot soon enough.

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.Russians definatley seem to have a major prescence in miami.
if i remember correctly, somewhat recently the fbi labeled the russians as more of a priority/more entrenched in miami/south florida than lcn. while brighton beach has generally always been considered the epicenter of russian OC in the US, it seems like south, florida if it hasn't already, will overtake that spot soon enough.


That's true. In 2011, the Russian mob was said to be a bigger investigative priority than the LCN for the FBI in South Florida. That same year, Eurasian and Asian organized crime were reported to be a bigger investigative priority than the LCN for the feds in Las Vegas.

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The russians seem to commit more scams and fraud than anything else, but i guess thats enough considering the money they make off of it. chinese gangs are pretty active in the ectasy and kettamine trade. i read somewhere once that asian gangsters were being hired out by atlantic city loansharks to collect debts.

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Originally Posted By: LuanKuci
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you're about 30 years late on that one


The fact that you and Ivy don't agree on the current state of the Chicago Outfit doesn't allow you to childishly attempt to argue every time he says something.

If you have to turn every thread into some boxing ring...stick to the Outift's ones: no one really cares about those anyway...

And no...30 years ago African-American and Hispanic street gangs were not yet labelled as such. Even if few (really, really few) could have.



are you his bodyguard or lawyer?

you sound like a hillbilly that thinks OC has color barriers

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You can add the Balkan criminal enterprises, especially the Albanians. Increasingly, Asian criminal enterprises are not directly related to the traditional Triads. The Yakuza has relatively little presence in the U.S. Of course "Russian" criminal enterprises is often an umbrella term to refer to all Eurasian groups, i.e. both Russian and Eastern European. There's also Nigerian and Middle Eastern criminal enterprises.

You'll notice I'm using the term "criminal enterprises," as opposed to "organized crime." Even though these terms can often be used interchangeably, the FBI also differentiates between them a lot; especially when comparing La Cosa Nostra to the newer ethnic groups.

And let's not forget all the Mexican and South American drug groups. Colombians, Mexicans, Dominicans, Cubans, etc. They're often categorized differently, because they're usually involved only in drugs for the most part, but there's no denying they are also organized crime.

I should also add that even some black and Hispanic street gangs have become sophisticated enough, at times, to warrant the label "organized crime" or "criminal enterprise." It's why the Justice Department combined it's OC and Gang unit a while back.



you're about 30 years late on that one


Under the leadership of guys like larry hoover, jeff fort and willie lloyd the chicago gangs were organised crime with a chain of command and roles.Things are alot more fragmented these days however if your still managing to pull in 50,000 to 100,000 grand a week off of your drug trade and be fighting with rivals at the same time then i guess you could be considered organised crime, you even have 15 year olds running 15-30 grand spots in chicago. Also many recent cases such as the black guerilla family in baltimore and also if you remembered jimmy rosemonds drug case where he was being supplied by members of the bloods and crips in LA which shows that there is some form of structure perhaps a loose one that arranges for large-scale drug trafficking and dealing across the country. Along side that many of the street gangs are engaging in sex trafficking and fraud.



there might not even be a spot making 15k a day in chicago anymore

the drug trade is dead up here

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Jewish OC still going in USA ?

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Jewish OC still going in USA ?

That pretty much ended by the 40s/50s

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Originally Posted By: IvyLeague
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.Russians definatley seem to have a major prescence in miami.
if i remember correctly, somewhat recently the fbi labeled the russians as more of a priority/more entrenched in miami/south florida than lcn. while brighton beach has generally always been considered the epicenter of russian OC in the US, it seems like south, florida if it hasn't already, will overtake that spot soon enough.


That's true. In 2011, the Russian mob was said to be a bigger investigative priority than the LCN for the FBI in South Florida. That same year, Eurasian and Asian organized crime were reported to be a bigger investigative priority than the LCN for the feds in Las Vegas.



I could see this. Last time I visited Miami I heard almost as much Russian being spoke as Spanish. I know it is also the capital for credit card cloning, etc., white-collar scams which Russian OC seems to specialize in.

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That's not true due to the fact there are still bust here and there with estimates of drugs being in the multi thousands mark. Chicago gangs as an individual groups aren't that fragmented as the media makes them out to be in some cases. By the way, do you have an account on Thehoodup? I seen a similar name.


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in california.. armenians have the best rackets for sure.. just google armenian power... theyre pulling like 50mil medicare scams, along with just about anything else you can think of... those fuckers love money more than anyone ive ever met, theyre hungry.. and surprisingly smart

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Originally Posted By: NickyEyes1
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Jewish OC still going in USA ?

That pretty much ended by the 40s/50s


Not fully. Quite some Russian gangsters in the USA are in fact Jewish. That's because it were mostly Soviet Jews who were allowed to emigrate to the States. However, nowadays there're also ethnic Russian gangsters in the US. In general, the ethnic Russians mostly concentrate on white collar crime such as fraud and scams. The Soviet Jews also are involved in some scamming, but generally they are far more visible and violent being involved in drug and weapon trafficking, burglary, robbery & hijacking and even street crime.
From Israel there are also mainly North African Jewish and Georgian Jewish criminal clans in California. In the USA they are more likely to be involved in the trafficking of ecstasy, but in general they are also involved in all aspects of violent crime.

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Originally Posted By: BlackFamily
That's not true due to the fact there are still bust here and there with estimates of drugs being in the multi thousands mark. Chicago gangs as an individual groups aren't that fragmented as the media makes them out to be in some cases. By the way, do you have an account on Thehoodup? I seen a similar name.



most of the mobs that started in chicago have become gangs

there are still mobs with some old heads but for the most part it's just micro-gangs that fragmented from a mini-gang that fragmented from a mob

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Originally Posted By: dsbaloo
in california.. armenians have the best rackets for sure.. just google armenian power... theyre pulling like 50mil medicare scams, along with just about anything else you can think of... those fuckers love money more than anyone ive ever met, theyre hungry.. and surprisingly smart

exactly what is a med scam?

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He's right within Russian OC there's a majorly disproportionate amount of Jewish guys, not exactly of the Meyer lansky mold but Russian Jews nonetheless, just much more Russian culturally

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