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Re: What's the deal with Michael and Tom's relationship?
#40023
07/27/06 08:58 AM
07/27/06 08:58 AM
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Paul Krendler
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Originally posted by SantinoFan: Vito's consigliere was Tom... Genco was Vito's consigliere but, in the book and in a deleted scene in the movie, Genco passed away. Tom took over as a temporary consigliere to Vito and remained in the post after Vito's death and through Michael's tenure as the Don (except for the events of Part III). However, and correct me if I'm wrong guys, Michael tells Carlo that he will be his 'right hand man' when they make the move to Vegas. The term 'right hand man' does not necessarily mean consigliere, in this instance it probably means the first buffer between Michael and the caporegimes. However, we know that Michael had no intention of letting Carlo get that close - it was an act of misdirection to lull Carlo into a false sense of security, paving the way for Michael's revenge for Sonny's death.
"I'm sorry if your stepmother is a nympho but I don't see what this has to do with, uh... do you have any Kalhua?"
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Re: What's the deal with Michael and Tom's relationship?
#40024
07/27/06 10:12 AM
07/27/06 10:12 AM
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Don Cardi
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Originally posted by SantinoFan: Why exactly does Michael remove Tom as consigliere once he takes over the family. Basically, what's Michaels beef with Tom who is basically a brother to him? When Michael took over as Don, a part of him knew deep down that he was now ' COMPLETELY IN' and could never really be legitimate, so that is why he kept Tom out of a lot of things that were illegal, etc. He also did this to protect himself in case anyone under him decided to move against him ("you're the only one that I can trust"). However Michael probably fooled himslef into really believing that he could bring the family to legitimacy, but deep down he knew that Tom had to remain somewhat legitimate to help him with his dream. Don Cardi 
Don Cardi Five - ten years from now, they're gonna wish there was American Cosa Nostra. Five - ten years from now, they're gonna miss John Gotti.
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Re: What's the deal with Michael and Tom's relationship?
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07/27/06 12:05 PM
07/27/06 12:05 PM
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I also believe that there were two personal factors in Michael's decision to remove Tom as consigliere: First, Tom was Vito's choice for consigliere after Genco's death--not Michael's. Given Michael's ultra-controlling nature, I don't think that anyone could have served as his consigliere except Michael himself. He served as his own consigliere. Second, as Michael told him, "You're not a wartime consigliere." I think Michael felt that, as a non-Sicilian, Tom lacked the "cunning" (Puzo's term in the novel) required to be an effective consigliere. I also think Michael held him partly responsible--justly or not-- for Sonny's death by failing to see that Carlo would betray Sonny. In the novel, Tom himself concludes, after Sonny's murder, that he's not "a wartime consigliere...old Genco would have smelled a rat."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: What's the deal with Michael and Tom's relationship?
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07/28/06 09:36 AM
07/28/06 09:36 AM
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But why does Michael have Al Neri dig up dirt on Tom and then Michael agressively asks Tom (during their meeting when he mentions Tom's mistress) if he is leaving the family business or going to go along with the things that he has to do? Tom asks hom why he hurts him like that? Is it simply because of Michael still holding him responsible for Sonny's death or something else?
I think there's more to it. Michael is a master manipulator. Earlier, he uses Tom's desire to be viewed as a real brother to manipulate Tom. Later, when Tom begins to get out of line, he puts Tom on the defensive by being hurtful. In both cases, he achieves his goal of getting Tom's loyalty and quiet submission.
"A man in my position cannot afford to be made to look ridiculous!"
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