ledblimp.... You're not a native of Italy, or even Italian? That would explain your defending the Romas. You, yourself, admitted Italians living there said the same as me.

I NEVER justified "blowing someone away while walking down the street." Don't get it twisted, now, ok? I said a gypsy getting caught in the crossfire of a mafia shootout won't let anyone lose sleep, just as proven in that video posted.

Passport holder or not, they are troublemakers. I'm often in Sicily and all they do is cause trouble. Good riddance to one more.

nobody gets it unless its deserved bada bingo

carmela, i'm italian and honestly gypsys are not a problem for me you sound just a racist
and in sicily? lol they are very little there and they do nothing
in north italy they are far more

The video posted speaks volumns. They didnt care and I dont care. Done.

nice piece

[quote=carmela]ledblimp.... You're not a native of Italy, or even Italian? That would explain your defending the Romas. You, yourself, admitted Italians living there said the same as me.

I'm not really defending them....more like making the point that it's not ok to get shot just because your from a certain background.....would it have been ok if it had been a Sicilian?
Yeah,Italians that I know consider them a problem.....never had any tell me it was ok for them to be killed.


I NEVER justified "blowing someone away while walking down the street." Don't get it twisted, now, ok? I said a gypsy getting caught in the crossfire of a mafia shootout won't let anyone lose sleep, just as proven in that video posted.

Really? Seemed like trying to justify it to me but ok....condone then? You keep saying the video proves everything....less than 3 minutes of video....I see panicked people running around trying not to get shot.....maybe an hour later people were stepping over the body while going about their business...dunno.

Passport holder or not, they are troublemakers. I'm often in Sicily and all they do is cause trouble. Good riddance to one more.

I've been to Sicily several times....Palermo a couple....have seen less gypsies there than other cities, same thing....begging for change.Ucciardone prison is full of troublemakers.....Italian/Sicilian ones.....real ones....maybe they deserve to be blown away before some gypsy girl walking down the street?
Anyways, you're plainly racist...no sense trying to talk sense so I'm done too.

That's why Brazil is one of the countries in North America with severe crime problems just like Colombia and most Central American countries, Mexico is going to end up like them too if they don't end the drug war. Cops in Brazil act like death squads and routenly execute presumed criminals on the favela neighborhoods.

Except for the fact that the vast majority of Italians were hard working productive members of society and the vast majority of gypsies are criminals. I`m not making this up either, go to google and type in Ìtalian Gypsies`and look at the stats. I`m not trying to be racist but we should be allowed to call a spade a spade.

the fact is that gypsies in italy are just a minor problem and who thinks the contrary is just racist
honestly, even in northern italian citities the gypsies criminals are a minority compared to southern italians or north africans

Did just that. Also searched with a variety of other buzz words. Didn't find what you're talking about other than multiple references to pickpocketing and scams. One story of a murder commited by a gypsy in Naples in 2008. Four unrelated Gypsy males were beaten by Italians, one to death, in retaliation. A story of a Gypsy girl,also Naples in 2008, trying to steal a baby. A whole Gypsy camp set on fire and burnt to the ground in retaliation.
The most disturbing thing I found though....two young gypsy girls,12 yrs old, that had drowned in Naples,bodies laid on the beach for three hours while Italians lounged,ate lunch and tossed frisbees a few feet away.
I'm sure there's some truth to the rep Gypsies have but seems like it's way overblown. Also find it funny that a country with the mafia, camorra, ndrengheta, sacra unite and the amount of crime, including violent, commited by these groups (not to mention the amount of political corruption)focuses on pickpocketing gypsies as the nations woe.

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Except for the fact that the vast majority of Italians were hard working productive members of society and the vast majority of gypsies are criminals. I`m not making this up either, go to google and type in Ìtalian Gypsies`and look at the stats. I`m not trying to be racist but we should be allowed to call a spade a spade. [/quote]

I am Italian, and we Italians do not hate Gypsies, at least without a good reason. My mother was a social worker, and followed the cases of minors Gypsies, who were induced to steal from their families in homes, to beg in the streets and other criminal acts, in Rome had discovered their slums in the middle of a park , that poor Rumanian, (Rumanian, not gypsy) in Naples murdered during a shootout between gangs was a person who earned an honest living sounding in the street with his wife, while the gypsies live in slums, rape, steal,make prostitute their daughters, so it's not without reason that we hate them.

Yes, Furio...earning an honest living playing his accordion in the middle of the train/bus station making money to send home to his kids in Romania. In the US that's one step above a bum.

Guess you didn't think I read the article when it happened.

edit: For the record, Italians don't have a problem with gypsies, per se. Like I stated in an earlier post, that they don't take kindly to most immigrants. They have a hard enough time dealing with their own troubles, they don't need that of illegals as well.
And if that makes me racist to say so... so what? I don't like them, and I've seen plenty over there. I have a right to feel the way I do, call it whatever you want.

confused much?

for nothing, carmela, you made copy and paste, and you brought out a completely different phrase, what I meant was

I am Italian, and we Italians do not hate Gypsies, at least without a good reason. My mother was a social worker, and followed the cases of minors Gypsies, who were induced to steal from their families in homes, to beg in the streets and other criminal acts, in Rome had discovered their slums in the middle of a park , that poor Rumanian, (Rumanian, not gypsy) in Naples murdered during a shootout between gangs was a person who earned an honest living sounding in the street with his wife, while the gypsies live in slums, rape, steal,make prostitute their daughters, so it's not without reason that we hate them.

You're absolutely right. Sorry about that. Forse... Iu sonu confusa.

As I said, I'm sure there's some basis to the Gypsy reputation. I wouldn't want to live around or be associated with people who live that way. BUT I'm not gonna hate everyone that comes from that ethnic background. In the states that would be like saying ALL blacks are drug dealers,murderers,pimps,con artists...whatever....because some are like that.

M2W brought up a goodpoint. Some northern Italians view southerners as nothing but criminals. I have an Italian friend who refuses to travel to Sicily or anywhere south of Rome with me because he sees the south that way. He's never been but repeatedly warns me when I go. He's never made a statement like it but I get the feeling he would react the same way as what we've seen here "A Sicilian got caught in the crossfire....so what.....all criminals anyways"!
I've travelled Sicily a good bit and the south of the boot a little. In fact, all the guys I work with are southerners and are a great group. Never had one bit of trouble and enjoy the south more so than the north.People are friendly and have never been robbed,raped or left for dead. If I had listened to things like that I would've missed out on some great experiences.

So for you guys south of Rome.....does it feel good knowing that some of your own country's citizens (and historically, your own government) view you the same way simply because of where your from? Are ya'll agreeable to that?

Oh I agree 100%. Northerners (a polentoni) don't speak so highly of Sicilians (terroni). One is a polenta eater and the other a terrorist. LOL
Italians are seen as well educated, high class, modern, opera-like, well spoken, they let things just be what they are. Sicilians are seen as guttural in language, stubborn, lacking in education and manners, not to mention the whole holding a grudge forever thing. That's the way the 2 are perceived. Especially the town where I am when I stay in Sicily. The most backward place you've ever been. When I stay in Sicily, you have to see the attitude they can get towards northerners vacationing there as well. Sicilians are a very extremely proud people and have an unbelievable chip on their shoulder. That will never change. BUT, all Italian CITIZENS have to deal with one another, just like in the States.

It's immigrants, (especially ones causing crimes against Italians) that Italians and Sicilians alike don't like. Causing crime in your own country is one thing, immigrants, such as the Romas coming in illegally and causing crime, that's another.

Same goes for immigration in America. I'm all for immigration, and keeping the doors to this country open for good. But when people are here illegally and are found to be committing serious crimes, they should be deported. And that shouldn't be mistaken for racism.

"It's immigrants, (especially ones causing crimes against Italians) that Italians and Sicilians alike don't like. Causing crime in your own country is one thing, immigrants, such as the Romas coming in illegally and causing crime, that's another."

yes but you forgot that the vast majority of people imprisoned in northern italian prisons are not local, they are immigrants from southern italians... and the rest immigrants from abroad
northern italians hate southerner like they were foreign
and gypsies are not a problem in italy, they never kill at least they steal something 95% of murderers come from south italy

I assume you're talking to me (thankfully I can recognize my own posts). The quote button is your friend. Never forget.

While you're correct in that most northern Italian prisoners are from the south and Sicily...what the hell's that got to do with anything on this topic?
You're dead wrong when you say Italians absolutely hate Sicilians. They are all countrymen at the end of the day. You're grossly misinformed about that.
Also, I have witnessed firsthand gypsies shanking a guy at the airport in Palermo to rob him. I have witnessed firsthand a gypsy on the beach pushing a doll at a teenager, trying to pass it off as a real baby, screaming god only knows at the teen, while others were going thru his belongings by his towel. My husband went over to help this kid, beat the shit out of that gypsy and you best believe the rest of them ran. They are nothing more than pissants that run like fucking cockroaches. Nobody is saying they are heavy criminals. But they will get away with whatever they can.

the point is that you blame gypsies that are nothing compared to mafia or mobsters it's ridiculous, the mafia kills people gypsies steal at most

Mafiosi are italian citizens. Gypsies are not. Let them stay in their own country and cause trouble. The whole tone of this thread has changed. We were not comparing crimes of the mafia to crimes of Romas. At least I wasn't. All I was/am saying is they are not liked or accepted by italian people and one getting caught in the crossfire of a mafia shootout is not a night of sleep lost by anyone. You guys took this whole thing and ran with it. God only knows why.

Completly agree with you.Even without committing crimes....if you're in the country illegaly (which in itself is a crime)and get nabbed you should be deported. Any country.
However, the statement made about the girl in the video, without knowing anything at all about her, was plainly racist and just ignorant. All the other crap aside...how anyone can say no big deal to something like that...beyond me.

I wonder.... the guys on the bikes shooting into a crowd....were they gypsies? I guess if they were Italians it was ok though!


Same goes for immigration in America. I'm all for immigration, and keeping the doors to this country open for good. But when people are here illegally and are found to be committing serious crimes, they should be deported. And that shouldn't be mistaken for racism. [/quote]

That's the thing, Gypsies don't have a country, they're Gypsies!

lol just ask northern italians if mafiosi are italian citizens

They are.
Thanks for asking.
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The thing with the mob in Italy is that, in the North, except for Milan, they are pretty silent.
Every mob has crews up there, it's HUGE...but they don't wanna cause any problem because they need the north to launder money.
That's why it's much unlikley to see an all out war in the north (it has happend tho).

As for the Gypsies vs Mobsters thing:

In the eyes of norhern Italians, gypsies are seen as a bigger threat when it comes to things that can happen to YOU directly.
While the mobs (even if much hated) are seen as more in the shadows and far away from the avarenge Mario.

I do not agree with this view of course, but this is how the 50% of my family thinks.

They are. Next.

you're right that in the north the mob is less visible except milan, turin, genoa and other cities where it is virulent enough to make people scared
my point is that generally the gypsies arrested in north italy are far less than southern italians and even compared to other groups like north africans and they are imprisoned almost for petty crimes only on the contrary of southerner often arrested for murders, shooting, gang wars so to speak
can you be robbed by gypsies? yes you can like you can by other groups can you be killed by gypsies? no, according to statistics
it's easier to be killed by somebody else

I know exactly what you mean, ledblimp. I also tried searching and checked out links Mussolii had provided on this matter, but found none of the stats he states as official. Also, as you pointed out, it strikes me when a country with such OC problems can point to the unorganized scam artists and beggars as a significant social evil.

I definitely disagree with Mussolini on this one, despite him being in all other regards a decent guy and informative poster. But at the risk of continuing the argument from the locked thread, Ill leave it there.

I'm sure everyone here has their decent qualities despite some of their views on things.

Ciao ragazzi!!