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Rackets... #602476
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How does a protection racket go down? Would the mobster walk into the place and say you give me so much a week or your place will burn down or do they use threats to the person?


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Re: Rackets... [Re: Jay123] #602490
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There's a good scene on Sopranos where Patsy Parisi attempts to shake down a coffee shop i think its season 6. Also I have seen a Mob documentary where I think it was an ex Bonanno soldier told a story where he shook down a store. He said his approach was friendly saying to the store owner "if you ever have any problems let me know and maybe I can help" then he would send some thugs over to trash the store. After that the storeowner would start paying protection to ensure his store would be left alone.

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I have to believe that different guys have different approaches. A smarter guy would make a smarter, somewhat veiled threat. A more brazen and short sighted type of goon might just walk in the store and say, "We're partners now, asshole." Don't forget, a lot of these guys aren't very bright. I'm sure it's happened like that at one point or another.

Off topic: There's much to loathe about the mob and what they do, but to me this is their low water mark. Going into a small business and shaking a poor old guy down who works 80 hours a week is beyond despicable. Imagine if that was your father or grandfather being extorted.


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Re: Rackets... [Re: pizzaboy] #602493
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Yeah im sure there are loads of different approaches. The Sopranos episode on it was good because it highlighted how the mob are loosing influence in that racket because nowadays everything is becoming a chain store! I think Patsy was trying to shake down a starbucks type store lol

Re: Rackets... [Re: Jay123] #602498
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I have to agree. It's really despicable when the mob extorts small business owners. Especially sleazy strip clubs. Those poor girls are shakin' it for free.


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Sometimes it can be a situation where the mob will force a business to use a mobbed up company. For example, a restaurant or a nightclub will have to use a mob connected food and beverage distributor or linen service.

Up through the 1990's in New York, the mob was able to extort even huge national store chains via their garbage cartel. It didn't matter if it was a mom and pop store or Bloomingdales. Every business in the city had to use mobbed up carters, who dominated the industry, and pay their inflated prices.

Of course, even to this day, it can still be something as simple as "Pay us or we'll burn your place down." That's what Eugene "Boopsie" Castelle's crew was busted for several years ago. Shaking down local businesses under the threat of arson.


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How much do they actually make the owners pay, is it just a little sum like $400? or are we speaking like $1200 onwards a month

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Depends on the business. These days, I doubt the mob sends in someone to collect cash every month for "protection." Most likely they'll force the small business owner to buy "goods and services" from the mob at inflated prices. In one of my old neighborhoods in Brooklyn, the local mob crew operated a "burglar alarm company." They installed a burglar alarm in the business storefront (that usually didn't work), and claimed that "foot patrols" of "private security" would check the storefront "hourly" after business hours. They charged a monthly fee for those "services." If the business didn't pay, they had an unusual rash of broken windows, burglaries, etc.

But the most profitable ones are those described by Ivy, such as garbage collection; or the famous "concrete club." The mob creates an "association" of garbage haulers or concrete suppliers, and charges each "member" a "fee" to join. If they join, they pass on the mob "fee" to their customers. If not... orange Keep in mind, the "association members" benefit: the "association" assigns routes or building sites, protecting them from competition.


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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Keep in mind, the "association members" benefit: the "association" assigns routes or building sites, protecting them from competition.


The funny thing is that quite a few business owners have benefited greatly by paying the mob. That is especially true for those who are more than willing to work with them. However, it all depends on who you are "with". If you're gonna go with the Colombos, I wouldn't count on getting a discount at your favorite titty bar. You might get a massage from Sean Persico, but more than that and you're gonna have to pay extra.


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Keep in mind, the "association members" benefit: the "association" assigns routes or building sites, protecting them from competition.


it all depends on who you are "with". If you're gonna go with the Colombos, I wouldn't count on getting a discount at your favorite titty bar. You might get a massage from Sean Persico, but more than that and you're gonna have to pay extra.


yeah i wonder what the colombos would really have to offer to anyone now a days?


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Tony Mirra would walk into a bar and tell them they he was gonna stick one of his slot machines in the place.
If the owner refused he simply said "Well you go and ask about Tony from Mulberry street and in 24 hours I'll come back and see if you havent changed your mind".
Inevitably the bar owner wisely give in.

According to Murder Machine, Roy DeMeo shook down Paul Rothenberg's porn film lab by barging in and telling him that they were now partners and that he (Rothenberg) would make more money because nothing and no-one would hinder him

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Just agreeing with what everyone else said.
Although it is somewhat dated now the book Vicious Circles by Jonathan Kwitny provided excellent examples of shakedowns, racketeering and extortion in various marketplaces by the NY based (and other) families although their reach wasn't limited to NY by any means. I liked this book a lot and thought it was well documented.
But that was circa late seventies/early eighties.

The book Takedown by Rick Cowan provided a more contemporary view of the NYC garbage and construction extortion/racketeering rackets though as with everything YMMV.


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Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Takedown Lilo..Takedown.


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Originally Posted By: VinnyGorgeous
Takedown Lilo..Takedown.


star blush My bad.. the book Shakedown is a fiction book by Charlie Stella but it is next to Takedown on my bookshelf..

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"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
Winter is Coming

Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
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Originally Posted By: Turnbull
Depends on the business. These days, I doubt the mob sends in someone to collect cash every month for "protection." Most likely they'll force the small business owner to buy "goods and services" from the mob at inflated prices. In one of my old neighborhoods in Brooklyn, the local mob crew operated a "burglar alarm company." They installed a burglar alarm in the business storefront (that usually didn't work), and claimed that "foot patrols" of "private security" would check the storefront "hourly" after business hours. They charged a monthly fee for those "services." If the business didn't pay, they had an unusual rash of broken windows, burglaries, etc.



But the most profitable ones are those described by Ivy, such as garbage collection; or the famous "concrete club." The mob creates an "association" of garbage haulers or concrete suppliers, and charges each "member" a "fee" to join. If they join, they pass on the mob "fee" to their customers. If not... orange Keep in mind, the "association members" benefit: the "association" assigns routes or building sites, protecting them from competition.



Depends on the business in new england luigi manoccio was just indicted for extorting monthly payments from 3 diffrent strip clubs

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Yes. Strip clubs, "gentlement's clubs," sex shops, and other sketchy businesses are favorite mob targets. Chances are, even if the operator is "legitimate," there are mob ties somewhere down the line in his business: the girls have records or were/are protected by mob-connected pimps; the owner gets untaxed boozze from some outfit that pays off the mob; the sex shop buys porno videos from a mob distributor, etc.

Any business that preys on people's vices is fair game for the mob.


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i remember hearing not too long ago about some Colombo associates (connected with Franzese) trying to shake down this hole-in-the-wall bar near my girlfriend's apartment. apparently they were in there one night for a drink, saw how busy the place was, and came back to extort the owner. the owner even said he was down to pay for protection but they demanded too much money, tried driving a screwdriver through the guys hand, and he went to the cops.

Also the logic behind that is wonderful:

"Hey this place is pretty neat - I'm having a good time. Look how busy it is. What an asshole the owner must be - he owes us something..."

Even Castellano was on tape before his final trip to Sparks complaining about how much money Sparks must be making because it's so busy, and they won't even give him a free meal when he goes in. LOL

That's the one common trait that I think these guys have that most people don't - the extreme sense of unfounded entitlement, and the nerve to act on it.

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Even Castellano was on tape before his final trip to Sparks complaining about how much money Sparks must be making because it's so busy, and they won't even give him a free meal when he goes in. LOL

That's the one common trait that I think these guys have that most people don't - the extreme sense of unfounded entitlement, and the nerve to act on it.


A meal at Sparks would be pocket change to a guy like Castellano but like all wiseguys he didnt like parting with his money

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Originally Posted By: GaryH
. . . like all wiseguys he didnt like parting with his money

That's the understatement of the year lol.


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Could anyone have rackets? Lets say your local drug dealing teen could walk into a place what isnt mob run and say i want $100 a week or else this place goes up in flames? It seems a daft question but its reality

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Originally Posted By: Jay123
Could anyone have rackets? Lets say your local drug dealing teen could walk into a place what isnt mob run and say i want $100 a week or else this place goes up in flames? It seems a daft question but its reality

How pathetic does said teen look?

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That sentance dont make sense im sorry what do you mean?

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Originally Posted By: Jay123
Could anyone have rackets? Lets say your local drug dealing teen could walk into a place what isnt mob run and say i want $100 a week or else this place goes up in flames? It seems a daft question but its reality


Of course he could but unless the drug dealing teen was connected then at any time a mob guy could simply take the racket off him

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Originally Posted By: Jay123
Could anyone have rackets? Lets say your local drug dealing teen could walk into a place what isnt mob run and say i want $100 a week or else this place goes up in flames? It seems a daft question but its reality


That kind of shakedown is usually organized by teen gangs, rather than by individuals. In the Chinatowns of various American cities, gangs of Chinese and Vietnamese teens regularly shake down restaurants and other businesses--when they're not killing each other.

In the early years of the 20th Century, individuals shook down small businesses in ethnic neighborhoods by claiming to be members of a criminal enterprise in the old country; i.e., "The Black Hand," "Die Bruderbond," etc. We saw an example in "Godfather Part II." Fanucci was known as "The Black Hand" and shook down Sr. Abbandando's grocery and other businesses. But after young Vito Corleone killed him, nobody came to take his place, and nobody sought vengeance on his killer. Fanucci had been acting on his own, invoking "The Black Hand" to scare people into paying him off.


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