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What about Michael? #6393
01/28/04 03:35 PM
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Everyone always feel for Fredo etc. but what do you think Michael's feeling I think Michael is a great guy

Re: What about Michael? #6394
01/28/04 06:04 PM
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Michael won many battles--and lost all his wars. I'd almost call him a tragic figure. But everything in his life was there because he put it there. He had free choice at every opportunity. Look at the choices he made.


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E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
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Re: What about Michael? #6395
01/28/04 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Don_Michael_Corleone:
Everyone always feel for Fredo etc. but what do you think Michael's feeling I think Michael is a great guy
Michael was a great guy at first, but in reality he grew into a cold blooded, heartless murderer. While his father Vito was a murderer too, his father had a fondness for his wife and children and never would hurt his blood family, and always would protect them. Let's face it Anyone that would kill his own brother intentionally, especially a brother who was weak minded and not really responsible for his actions, is a cold blooded bastard. That is why I liked and accepted GFIII for what it was. I liked that it showed Michael's sorrow, remorse and search for peace and forgivness for "killing his father's son." Remember something, because of Michaels cold blooded ways, in the end, he lost everything that he truly loved, directly and indirectly by his own hand! The end scene in GFIII shows this as he is thinking of everyone that he loved and lost because of the life he had chosen. But because of all of these different attributes, the Michael Corleone character was one of the best!


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Re: What about Michael? #6396
01/28/04 10:10 PM
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Turnbull,
I agree that Michael always had a choice. But, as we all know gangsters do, they choose that lifestyle for a reason, sometimes revenge, most of the times, greed. While Michael did not have to assume the role of Don, it was also a choice, and a relief of burden on the part of Don Vito.


"I've always been loyal to you...I mean, what is this?"
-Thomas Hagen, Godfather Part II
Re: What about Michael? #6397
01/28/04 10:30 PM
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I agree with Don Cardi. Michael was a great guy at first. Yet Turnbull is right referring to him as a tragic figure, which he ended up in the end.

The fact that he "turned" after the attempt on his father's life, makes me think he must have always had it in him, so to speak. Yet when we see the young Michael adamantly stating "it's my father Kay, it's not me" he seemed so sincere and I'm sure he meant it at the time. ohwell

If I can play amateur physchiatrist, I'd say Michael's transformation was due to trying to keep not only his anger & hate, but really every emotion, good and bad "in tact". It's almost like he felt he had to be "calm and on-guard" at all times, which is probably why he became so dangerous in the end. ohwell

If I'm not mistaken, the only time Michael really 'lost it" was when Kay lost the baby and he yelled at Tom, asking "was it a boy?" and then at Kay when she told him she had an abortion. Right????? However, with Fredo, as angry/hurt as he was, he kept a calm exterior.


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Re: What about Michael? #6398
01/28/04 11:08 PM
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Michael does suffer justly for killing his brother in Godfather Part III. He's truely a tragic lost soul who has to live the life of a gangster for his childrens futures, and I can tell he loves his children more than anything in the world.

Re: What about Michael? #6399
01/29/04 02:27 PM
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Michael does suffer justly for killing his brother in Godfather Part III. He's truely a tragic lost soul who has to live the life of a gangster for his childrens futures, and I can tell he loves his children more than anything in the world.
I think that Michael did love his wife & children, but at the same time became a tragic figure. Or maybe his choices were more tragic than he was. I agree with Turnbull - Michael had a choice at every fateful decision in his life. Unfortunately, he chose wrong more times than not.

Don't forget what Vito stated repeatedly in the novel - every man has but one destiny. TIS is correct - Michael most likely had this behavior in him the whole time. It just came to the forefront after the attempt on his father's life. But once that side of Michael came out, there was no way for him to repress it ever again.

Re: What about Michael? #6400
01/29/04 11:44 PM
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I also feel for Mike, especially in Part 3. Mike did get into the business for an "honorable" reason, but he lost it by killing his brother.In 3 though he really felt bad, I think, and the cardinal was a bitch to him...It is just that you suffer... wink


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Re: What about Michael? #6401
01/30/04 03:49 PM
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Michael's sins were great and I think it's right that he does suffer. I don't think the cardinal was being a bitch at all. He at least listen to Michael and agreeded to help him.

Re: What about Michael? #6402
01/31/04 01:29 PM
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Don Lights - how did the Cardinal help Michael, Michael still suffers his daughter Mary got killed which made his suffering even worse How did Cardinal Lamberto help Michael?


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