If Tom took the job offer from the casino and leave Michael would Michael do to Tom what he did to Fredo ?

What has your question got to do with The Godfather Returns?

Yeah, this should be moved to "THE GODFATHER TRILOGY."

Anyway, welcome to the boards, and to answer your question, I don't think Tom would ever leave him. But if he did, Michael was being a real bastard at that time, so I wouldn't put it past Michael to kill him.

Welcome, MoeGG. You posted a good question.
I think it was pretty clear (Don Andrew) that Michael, at that stage in his life, was totally without sentiment. And the only value that Tom seemed to have for Michael was his unquestioned loyalty. If Tom had bailed out and taken the job with the House and Hotels, he would have forfeited his loyalty. And, considering what he knew about Michael, he could have been a real liability.
To net it out: If Tom had taken the job, caio Tom.

NO WAY!, No way is Michael whacking Tom if he is leaving to take another job outside the family.
This kind of talk is crazy. Michael knows that he is not in any danger if Tom leaves. He may not like it, he may have showed agnger, but he isn't whacking him for that. He is still Tom's brother and he trusted him with his life and the lives of his family. And in fact the life/running of the whole Corleone family when he had to leave.
He had enough trouble whacking Fredo, who did do something against him. It troubled him for years as told in Godfather III.

Karl

Michael had shown that he was willing to kill his own blood, I don't see why he would give Tom a pass. Unless Tom used all his skills as a lawyer to set something up where the whole Corleone family would be exposed if he died under suspicious circumstances. In other words, blackmail.

But he had no trouble doing it at the time. And at that particular time, Michael's moral boundaries were so blurred that he could barely distinguish between friend and enemy, brother and stranger, wariness and paranoia, preservation of self and destruction of others.

I think he could have killed Tom if Tom abandoned him. It would tear at his conscience in the years to come, but Michael wouldn't see that at the time of the act.

That's just my feeling anyway...

I dont think Mike would have killed him. The thing with Fredo was different, Fredo betrayed Mike. If Tom leaves he leaves Mike but doesnt betray him...

So I think he would have be dissapointed in Tom and maybe would never want to see him. But killing him? I dont think so...

Come to think of it all we know about Tom in GF III is that he died. We don't know how. Maybe Michael gave Neri the order.

Neri held a gun to his head, "either your signature or your brains will be on that contract" Hagen I mean Duvall chose the later

I don't think he would have killed Tom cuz remember he told Tom "Because if not you can take your wife, your family, and your mistress and move 'em all to Las Vegas"

But who knows he was a cold hearted person.

Michael - I don't want anything hapening to Tom until his son is in the seminary.

Neri- (Nods)


Cut to : Andrew taking his vows in an overdone religious ceremony)


Cut to:

Neri - Tom, Michael says there's a change of plans you have to go with me.

Tom - Hey you cant do that it messes up all my arrangements.

Neri - You have to answer for botching the Roth deal while you were playing comedy with Sonny's widow.

Tom - Tell Michael it was just business. I always liked him.

Neri - He understands.

Tom - Al, can you get me off the hook? For old time's sake.

Neri - Can't do it Tommie.

I'm not so sure. True, at this stage of his life Michael could have easily moved Tom over into the "my enemies" category and rationalized his murder. On the other hand, Tom was the only reliable and guileless person that Michael could depend on. He knew that Tom was harmless. But even as late as GFIII he is still refering to Tom as a great lawyer instead of "my brother, the great lawyer."

Nice scenario don t.,

We would have to know more about Tom's arrangement to make an assumption on Michael's actions. Tom may come to Mike and say...this deal is good for the family. They want me to run it, but as a Corleone, the family will be in the background as a partner. But if Tom tried to cut the cord, well then the cord would be around his neck. Michael had a protective paranoia that would see Tom as a threat....especially since Tom knew the history of Michael. But Tom wasn't stupid. He knew he would be a dead man if his "deal" didn't include the Corleone family.

I wish I could come up with word play like that.

Actually Don T you may not be that off base.

Several years ago I posted that an old neighbor of mine showed me a collectors Laser Vision GF Trilogy set. In that set was a book. If I remember correctly, in that book there were pictures of early storyboards that contained side notes like " Michael is standing here, Ola is strangled from here," etc. And one of those storyboards was from GFII and had a notation written on it that said something like "after Tom Hagen is shot, he falls and dies in this part of the office."

If someone here happens to own one of those Laser Disc Special Edition collector sets, than maybe they can look at it and see if one of the collector books in it shows this.

It's possible that in one of the very early transcripts Tom Hagen was originally supposed to be killed.


Don Cardi

Interesting DC. Looking back, Tom was sort of the Neville Chamberlain of the Corleone family, always wanting to make deals and not get into bloodshed.

You mean webmaster Geoff doesn't have that in his collection??!!

After reading the thread about Robot Films' upcoming Godfather TV special, I thought Geoff had EVERYTHING.